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**Poll Pitt** · 03-08-2012, 07:22 AM

Well, her new single is out. Such as it is.

I've got to hand it to the woman for being really good at staying commercially viable, even at the expense of producing anything substantial or worthy of her (faded) talent. She's essentially a guest artist on her own song here.

That said, I really loved Mariah Carey for the first 7 years of her career. Everything since "Butterfly" has been really lackluster for me. Still, when she was good she was really really good, in my opinion.

**myspacepro** · 03-08-2012, 07:56 AM

She's had three distinct careers so far that went from Celine Dion to Lil Kim. . and now she's Paula Abdul.

**werkeeque** · 03-08-2012, 01:49 PM

Mariah is incredibly talented. One of her most heartfelt songs was from her last album called "HateU". Her talent hasn't faded. She is still a great song writer.

Mariah has been in the game since 1990 and has stood the test of time. Unlike Madonna, she at least hasn't sold herself out to dance pop songs about sex drugs and partying which is what everyone is doing now.

With her new single it will be released as an EP with 7 versions apparently including a radio mix without any rap and also versions with rerecorded vocals.

**YonkFiorc** · 03-08-2012, 02:23 PM

I'm pretty sure her arm is made of rubber.

**Butiqueso** · 03-08-2012, 11:29 PM

I have to admit, I am a big Mariah Carey fan. Butterfly is definitely her best album but Memoirs of an Imperfect Angel is really good too. That said, I don't really like Triumphant and I agree that it's like she's a guest on her own song. She is extremely talented and the last time I saw her live she put on a wonderful show.

I never listened to E=MC2 because Touch My Body is an atrocious song.

**ExpodoDop** · 03-09-2012, 12:42 AM

Unlike Madonna, she at least hasn't sold herself out to dance pop songs about sex drugs and partying which is what everyone is doing now.

Do we need a Madonna vs. Mariah Deathmatch thread already?

Seriously though, while I've been quite vocal about my disappointment with Madonna's recent ventures around here, she wrote the book on dance-pop-party-tunes and has enough artistic integrity left for two Mariah Careys.

She's had three distinct careers so far that went from Celine Dion to Lil Kim. . and now she's Paula Abdul.

The first half of her career was pretty amazing. Mariah was clearly born to sing. In the history of modern popular music, I think her voice is right up there with the greats (and I've read she's largely responsible for penning some her greatest hits). But she went from being soulful and inspiring to washing Snoop Dogg's car in a music video. Which is fine. Just sayin'

**arriplify** · 03-09-2012, 01:42 AM

Love Mariah and always will. She is an incredible lyricist.. and why even bother talking about her vocals.. for a whole decade she had the prettiest tone and range.

All that said, the single seems 50/50 rap and her singing.. So whose song is it really? Mariah featuring Rick Ross or the other way around.

Since she has had so many #1 singles I won't talk about my favorite songs from that list. I will say I thought Charm Bracelet is extremely underrated. I love that album. Especially the song "I only wanted."

**WomanBreast40356** · 03-09-2012, 03:57 AM

It's not as heavy-handed as "Born This Way" or annoying as "Gimme Your Luvin'," but... I don't know, it's not bad, it's not great, it's just kinda there.

That being said, "I Only Wanted" IS a major tune. I love the Latin-tinged trilogy that was "My All/After Tonight/I Only Wanted."

And to wrap up my Mariah thoughts, "Petals" is the best songwriting she's ever done. That is all.

**SallythePearl** · 03-09-2012, 05:32 AM

I hate to bust everyone's bubble, but the best thing she's ever done was her MTV Unplugged, right around the time her second album came out. THAT'S the Mariah I miss.

**BigBobdd** · 04-08-2012, 08:37 AM

^ Daydream would be my favorite, though i do love a lot of her later singles.

so what are people's top 10 favorite songs of hers? mine would be (in no particular order):

Vision of Love
Dreamlover
Forever
Always Be My Baby
Fantasy
Honey
Breakdown
We Belong Together
I'm That Chick
I'll Be Loving U Long Time (album version)

**Poll Pitt** · 04-08-2012, 08:59 AM

I don't pretend to know anything other than her singles, so...

Can't Let Go (favorite Mariah song)
Dreamlover
Fantasy
Always Be My Baby
Honey
My All
Emotions
I Don't Wanna Cry
Make it Happen
Love Takes Time

**rammossyAcron** · 04-08-2012, 09:15 AM

Butterfly was the beginning of the end, but I'll always love the stuff that came before it. I'll always have her to thank for "Vision of Love", which won me mah first evah karaoke competition. (Yes, I am indeed a karaoke queen.)

**werkeeque** · 04-08-2012, 10:37 AM

The new remix of Triumphant is out!!! It's amazing! The throwback mix! It's very dance pop and old school Mariah!

**werkeeque** · 04-08-2012, 11:29 AM

My top10:

Outside
HateU
Lead the Way
Loverboy
Butterfly
Can't take that away
Yours
Candy Bling
Bliss
I Wish You Well

**Deengealf** · 04-08-2012, 11:50 AM

Mariah will always have a special place in my heart. She was my number one artist before Tori. My favorite albums are a toss up between Music Box and Daydream and Butterfly coming in a close 2nd. Except for Heartbreaker I don't know much from Rainbow on.
This song has way too much rapping it. I understand if there is a little or a remix with a rapper but damn like someone said it's like she is the guest artist. This thread is getting me to want to listen to her and bring me back to my early teen years!

**shiciapsisy** · 04-08-2012, 04:22 PM

Mariah confession: I think among her "oldschool" albums Music Box is really overrated, it's not that good, and her 2nd, Emotions is very underrated - it's one of her best overall. I don't really care much for anything post Butterfly. The one thing I really like from that era would be "Fly Like A Bird" and the Whitney Houston duet

top 10
Someday
Vanishing
If It's Over
The Wind
Fantasy
Open Arms
I Am Free
My All
The Roof
The Beautiful Ones

honorable mentions:
When You Believe
Fly Like A Bird

**zzquo0iR** · 04-08-2012, 08:07 PM

I don't know much except for her singles either, but here's my list in no particular order bar the first two:

My All
All I Want For Christmas Is You (duh)
Hero
I'll Be There
Fantasy
Always Be My Baby
Honey
We Belong Together
Shake It Off
Obsessed

**ExpodoDop** · 04-08-2012, 10:01 PM

My favorites in no particular order:

My All
Whenever You Call
I'll Be There
Someday
Hero
All I Want For Christmas Is You
O Holy Night (from the first Christmas album)
Without You
Dreamlover

**Deengealf** · 04-08-2012, 11:30 PM

I just think that Music Box really brings me back to being 11 when I bought the tape on my birthday and it was the 1st album of hers that I bought. I really need to go back and listen to all her albums straight through again. It has been many many years. I do agree Emotions is under rated. When I first got it, i really didnt like it and gave it to my mom but then took it back because I needed to give it more of a chance.

my Favs no particular order

Someday
Vanishing
Love takes time
Cant let go
Til the end of time
So Blessed
Music box
Dreamlover
Never Forget you
When i saw you
Always be my baby
Forever
I still believe
Butterfly
Breakdown
Whenever you call

**SallythePearl** · 04-09-2012, 03:51 AM

"So Blessed"! LOVE that song!

03-08-2012, 07:22 AM	#1
Poll Pitt Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 505 Senior Member	Mariah Carey Well, her new single is out. Such as it is. I've got to hand it to the woman for being really good at staying commercially viable, even at the expense of producing anything substantial or worthy of her (faded) talent. She's essentially a guest artist on her own song here. That said, I really loved Mariah Carey for the first 7 years of her career. Everything since "Butterfly" has been really lackluster for me. Still, when she was good she was really really good, in my opinion. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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myspacepro Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 409 Senior Member	She's had three distinct careers so far that went from Celine Dion to Lil Kim. . and now she's Paula Abdul. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-08-2012, 01:49 PM	#3
werkeeque Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 577 Senior Member	Mariah is incredibly talented. One of her most heartfelt songs was from her last album called "HateU". Her talent hasn't faded. She is still a great song writer. Mariah has been in the game since 1990 and has stood the test of time. Unlike Madonna, she at least hasn't sold herself out to dance pop songs about sex drugs and partying which is what everyone is doing now. With her new single it will be released as an EP with 7 versions apparently including a radio mix without any rap and also versions with rerecorded vocals. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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YonkFiorc Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 425 Senior Member	I'm pretty sure her arm is made of rubber. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-08-2012, 11:29 PM	#5
Butiqueso Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 488 Senior Member	I have to admit, I am a big Mariah Carey fan. Butterfly is definitely her best album but Memoirs of an Imperfect Angel is really good too. That said, I don't really like Triumphant and I agree that it's like she's a guest on her own song. She is extremely talented and the last time I saw her live she put on a wonderful show. I never listened to E=MC2 because Touch My Body is an atrocious song. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-09-2012, 12:42 AM	#6
ExpodoDop Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 388 Senior Member	Unlike Madonna, she at least hasn't sold herself out to dance pop songs about sex drugs and partying which is what everyone is doing now. Do we need a Madonna vs. Mariah Deathmatch thread already? Seriously though, while I've been quite vocal about my disappointment with Madonna's recent ventures around here, she wrote the book on dance-pop-party-tunes and has enough artistic integrity left for two Mariah Careys. She's had three distinct careers so far that went from Celine Dion to Lil Kim. . and now she's Paula Abdul. The first half of her career was pretty amazing. Mariah was clearly born to sing. In the history of modern popular music, I think her voice is right up there with the greats (and I've read she's largely responsible for penning some her greatest hits). But she went from being soulful and inspiring to washing Snoop Dogg's car in a music video. Which is fine. Just sayin' Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-09-2012, 01:42 AM	#7
arriplify Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 383 Senior Member	Love Mariah and always will. She is an incredible lyricist.. and why even bother talking about her vocals.. for a whole decade she had the prettiest tone and range. All that said, the single seems 50/50 rap and her singing.. So whose song is it really? Mariah featuring Rick Ross or the other way around. Since she has had so many #1 singles I won't talk about my favorite songs from that list. I will say I thought Charm Bracelet is extremely underrated. I love that album. Especially the song "I only wanted." Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-09-2012, 03:57 AM	#8
WomanBreast40356 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 426 Senior Member	It's not as heavy-handed as "Born This Way" or annoying as "Gimme Your Luvin'," but... I don't know, it's not bad, it's not great, it's just kinda there. That being said, "I Only Wanted" IS a major tune. I love the Latin-tinged trilogy that was "My All/After Tonight/I Only Wanted." And to wrap up my Mariah thoughts, "Petals" is the best songwriting she's ever done. That is all. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-09-2012, 05:32 AM	#9
SallythePearl Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 478 Senior Member	I hate to bust everyone's bubble, but the best thing she's ever done was her MTV Unplugged, right around the time her second album came out. THAT'S the Mariah I miss. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-08-2012, 08:37 AM	#10
BigBobdd Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 328 Senior Member	^ Daydream would be my favorite, though i do love a lot of her later singles. so what are people's top 10 favorite songs of hers? mine would be (in no particular order): Vision of Love Dreamlover Forever Always Be My Baby Fantasy Honey Breakdown We Belong Together I'm That Chick I'll Be Loving U Long Time (album version) Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-08-2012, 08:59 AM	#11
Poll Pitt Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 505 Senior Member	I don't pretend to know anything other than her singles, so... Can't Let Go (favorite Mariah song) Dreamlover Fantasy Always Be My Baby Honey My All Emotions I Don't Wanna Cry Make it Happen Love Takes Time Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-08-2012, 09:15 AM	#12
rammossyAcron Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 370 Senior Member	Butterfly was the beginning of the end, but I'll always love the stuff that came before it. I'll always have her to thank for "Vision of Love", which won me mah first evah karaoke competition. (Yes, I am indeed a karaoke queen.) Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-08-2012, 10:37 AM	#13
werkeeque Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 577 Senior Member	The new remix of Triumphant is out!!! It's amazing! The throwback mix! It's very dance pop and old school Mariah! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-08-2012, 11:29 AM	#14
werkeeque Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 577 Senior Member	My top10: Outside HateU Lead the Way Loverboy Butterfly Can't take that away Yours Candy Bling Bliss I Wish You Well Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-08-2012, 11:50 AM	#15
Deengealf Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 523 Senior Member	Mariah will always have a special place in my heart. She was my number one artist before Tori. My favorite albums are a toss up between Music Box and Daydream and Butterfly coming in a close 2nd. Except for Heartbreaker I don't know much from Rainbow on. This song has way too much rapping it. I understand if there is a little or a remix with a rapper but damn like someone said it's like she is the guest artist. This thread is getting me to want to listen to her and bring me back to my early teen years! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-08-2012, 04:22 PM	#16
shiciapsisy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 485 Senior Member	Mariah confession: I think among her "oldschool" albums Music Box is really overrated, it's not that good, and her 2nd, Emotions is very underrated - it's one of her best overall. I don't really care much for anything post Butterfly. The one thing I really like from that era would be "Fly Like A Bird" and the Whitney Houston duet top 10 Someday Vanishing If It's Over The Wind Fantasy Open Arms I Am Free My All The Roof The Beautiful Ones honorable mentions: When You Believe Fly Like A Bird Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-08-2012, 08:07 PM	#17
zzquo0iR Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 397 Senior Member	I don't know much except for her singles either, but here's my list in no particular order bar the first two: My All All I Want For Christmas Is You (duh) Hero I'll Be There Fantasy Always Be My Baby Honey We Belong Together Shake It Off Obsessed Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-08-2012, 10:01 PM	#18
ExpodoDop Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 388 Senior Member	My favorites in no particular order: My All Whenever You Call I'll Be There Someday Hero All I Want For Christmas Is You O Holy Night (from the first Christmas album) Without You Dreamlover Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-08-2012, 11:30 PM	#19
Deengealf Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 523 Senior Member	I just think that Music Box really brings me back to being 11 when I bought the tape on my birthday and it was the 1st album of hers that I bought. I really need to go back and listen to all her albums straight through again. It has been many many years. I do agree Emotions is under rated. When I first got it, i really didnt like it and gave it to my mom but then took it back because I needed to give it more of a chance. my Favs no particular order Someday Vanishing Love takes time Cant let go Til the end of time So Blessed Music box Dreamlover Never Forget you When i saw you Always be my baby Forever I still believe Butterfly Breakdown Whenever you call Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-09-2012, 03:51 AM	#20
SallythePearl Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 478 Senior Member	"So Blessed"! LOVE that song! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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