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Old 09-21-2012, 07:15 PM   #21
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Default expat raising a daughter in this "machista" country? I think better not ...
I was really curious about posting this to know what people thinks about ...

Im an expat here, in the close future Im gonna be daddy of a little daughter. Just knew some days before it will be a girl.

Before knowing this, I was thinking a lot, a lot, about what I would do if being a girl, what I would do in the future, talking about this country and my own family.

My big concern was always thinking that if baby would be a girl, that would be future headaches in this country.

I have been living here enough time to know how many (not all, but many!) dominican men behave with women

I have had many examples given by my wife, unfortunately examples she has not only have heard but lived by her own too or seen in front of her. Some examples have made me so indignant, angry, outraged that I could not believe how men could do and behave that way ...

So I got the conclusion that I dont wanna raise a girl in a country where men respect women that way. It would be a nightmare when my daughter becoming a teenager and a woman ... I think I would finally be involved in many arguments, fights, etc many times, or having to visit some men with a baseball stick in my hands ...

As I said before, not all dominican men are that way, of course, but it is a fact, this country is plenty of that kind of men who dont respect women at all, and I have noticed that being a pretty (and decent) woman in this country, can be quite tough ...

Ok, lets go for your thoughts ....
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Old 09-21-2012, 07:27 PM   #22
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listen, you can grow a daughter to be a stupid ho in any country. you and your wife are here to introduce your child to this reality, to teach it, to build its moral background. part of the work is up to you.
and dominican men? they are not all bad, there are some DDDs around if your daughter is smart and grows in an exemplary family she has a good chance of starting one herself, with a good man.
and if she is stupid... she will run into trouble no matter where you bring her up. so there, don't blame it on DR. roll up your sleeves and get to work. being a parent is a responsibility. but i am told it pays off
so embrace it, man
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Old 09-21-2012, 07:31 PM   #23
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I know your pain. We have a little girl coming up to 3. To cut a long tale short, I wouldn't trust a male here in any way, shape, size or colour, they never grow out of adolescence from the age of 10 till the day they die, they will stick it in anything with or without a heartbeat. Sex crazed is not the word for it, I'm an ugly hairy bloke and I wouldn't bunk down with a drunk Dom for fear of being probed. No way my child is going to school in DR and be subject to being a sexual object. I know she will grow the way lead her, but why should I have to worry about these guys, parenting is difficult and stressful enough without worrying about what others kids are doing, thinking, contemplating.
Hence, we moved away from the Dominican several months ago to prepare for her starting school in a civilzed world. It really isn't a difficult decision when you have a daughter, a son might be different, but I have one little girl and she is not a sexual object, in the DR in the eyes of men, before anything else that is exactly what they see her as. Not yet obviously, but time goes by fast.
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Old 09-21-2012, 07:43 PM   #24
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I know your pain. We have a little girl coming up to 3. To cut a long tale short, I wouldn't trust a male here in any way, shape, size or colour, they never grow out of adolescence from the age of 10 till the day they die, they will stick it in anything with or without a heartbeat. Sex crazed is not the word for it, I'm an ugly hairy bloke and I wouldn't bunk down with a drunk Dom for fear of being probed. No way my child is going to school in DR and be subject to being a sexual object. I know she will grow the way lead her, but why should I have to worry about these guys, parenting is difficult and stressful enough without worrying about what others kids are doing, thinking, contemplating.
Hence, we moved away from the Dominican several months ago to prepare for her starting school in a civilzed world. It really isn't a difficult decision when you have a daughter, a son might be different, but I have one little girl and she is not a sexual object, in the DR in the eyes of men, before anything else that is exactly what they see her as. Not yet obviously, but time goes by fast.
It's home training that makes the difference. If you raise her to understand that she's as valuable as any person of either gender and she is taught self respect, she will be more than prepared to handle the type of guy that you're talking about.

I've seen Women in the D.R. back a tiguere down with a look, never saying a word. They only prey on the weak minded.
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Old 09-21-2012, 08:12 PM   #25
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Dv8, dont have any doubt about we, my wife and myself, will raise our daughter in the best way, teaching her the most moral and ethical behaviours, but ...
WILL THAT REMOVE ALL THOSE NASTY GUYS I HAVE SEEN AND HEARD TALKING ABOUT???? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Just to make you understand: being a good driver, that makes you free of having an accident due to having the bad luck of crossing with a bad, crazy driver???? no, right????? so it is the same example for having a daughter in a country where there are many machista men ...
Remember, I said many, NOT MOST OR ALL, just many!
Cheers.

listen, you can grow a daughter to be a stupid ho in any country. you and your wife are here to introduce your child to this reality, to teach it, to build its moral background. part of the work is up to you.
and dominican men? they are not all bad, there are some DDDs around if your daughter is smart and grows in an exemplary family she has a good chance of starting one herself, with a good man.
and if she is stupid... she will run into trouble no matter where you bring her up. so there, don't blame it on DR. roll up your sleeves and get to work. being a parent is a responsibility. but i am told it pays off
so embrace it, man
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Old 09-21-2012, 10:01 PM   #26
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I worry about that too, my daughter is due in 7 weeks. But hopefully we will have many years before running into any "boy" issues.
This saying is always in the back of my minds tho.. When you have a boy, you only have to worry about one prick in the neighborhood..When you have a girl you have to worry about EVERY prick in the neighborhood...
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Old 09-21-2012, 10:27 PM   #27
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And I can think of 2 benefits to an expat brining a little girl into the world in the DR...1 st world sexual / social gender role influences (all the better if both mom and dad have spent time living in the 1 st world), and secondly, easier opportunities to relocate back to the US or europe during the childs early and teen years....

I Agree one can find it hard to raise a child (stupid ho!!?? Comon dv8 show 10% class...the guy is sharing about his daughter...perfect example of the type conversational intellect any parent wishes his kids avoid!), in any country. But why choose to raise your child knocking your head up against 1000 years of gender issues if other options are available.



I know your pain. We have a little girl coming up to 3. To cut a long tale short, I wouldn't trust a male here in any way, shape, size or colour, they never grow out of adolescence from the age of 10 till the day they die, they will stick it in anything with or without a heartbeat. Sex crazed is not the word for it, I'm an ugly hairy bloke and I wouldn't bunk down with a drunk Dom for fear of being probed. No way my child is going to school in DR and be subject to being a sexual object. I know she will grow the way lead her, but why should I have to worry about these guys, parenting is difficult and stressful enough without worrying about what others kids are doing, thinking, contemplating.
Hence, we moved away from the Dominican several months ago to prepare for her starting school in a civilzed world. It really isn't a difficult decision when you have a daughter, a son might be different, but I have one little girl and she is not a sexual object, in the DR in the eyes of men, before anything else that is exactly what they see her as. Not yet obviously, but time goes by fast.
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Old 09-21-2012, 10:36 PM   #28
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My God!!!

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Self respect doesn't mean that Men will not try to harass her but it does give her the tools to fight it off. It happens in the D.R. and it happens in NYC and it happens in Mumbai and Nairobi and London, too. Believe me when I tell you that I also know what I'm talking about.

A well raised Woman will know how to shame a disrespectful Man with a look. Every Man born of Woman will recognize then he's crossed the wrong line when reminded.

If that doesn't work....there's always "call Daddy". We'll get the problem fixed.
it is the road through adolescent that is so tough here, Dred...
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Old 09-21-2012, 11:43 PM   #29
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Just had a baby boy here very happy want him to grow up here but I will teach him myself the right way to do things and pass on my knowledge as best possible and because of me he will not have to worry anything i will be gettinghim a passport from my country and he will be able to travel where ever he wants !
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Old 09-21-2012, 11:44 PM   #30
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Ruben, I agree with dv8. If you raise her the right way there is no way she'll have those problems. These creeps can spot the girls they can smack around a mile away - and they also know who won't take their basura.

There are plenty of decent Dominican guys, and they look for a decent girl to date and marry. If you're a good role model as a husband and father, she'll look for someone like you. Teach her to respect herself, and the guys will respect her too.
With the greatest of respect. Wake up, surely you're dreaming.
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Old 09-22-2012, 12:36 AM   #31
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Some of you guys are in for a BIG surprise with those little girls.
Yeah....take your daughters to the US, Canada, or wherever...yeah, that'll stop it.

I have married surgeons come on to me....strongly. You will not escape that, period. And I can tell you right now, over protect and shelter her too much and the minute she goes to college, they'll be calling her SuperHead.

Like the other guys said, it's all in how you raise them. But you will not escape the way some men are, no matter where you go

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Old 09-22-2012, 12:39 AM   #32
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And I can think of 2 benefits to an expat brining a little girl into the world in the DR...1 st world sexual / social gender role influences (all the better if both mom and dad have spent time living in the 1 st world), and secondly, easier opportunities to relocate back to the US or europe during the childs early and teen years....
I have 2 cousins born in St Croix and raised there until middle school age. There was simply a better educational system in place in the continental US. They came here fully fluent in both English and Spanish and had a far better geographical and cultural perspective of the World and the US in particular and excelled all the way through college and into working life. One works for State right now. There are definitely benefits.
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Old 09-22-2012, 03:19 AM   #33
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She will learn to be a woman from her mother, the same was a son learns to be a man from his father.
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Old 09-22-2012, 06:10 AM   #34
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My point is this....do all you can do to give them the best that you and your wife have to offer as Parents and if you can afford a more desireable location to raise them then by all means do it but all your best efforts and all that nurturing will guarrantee nothing. It's like studying for a big test...it won't guarrantee passage but the failure to do so will guarrantee failure.
Yes, I like that post, and is exactly what we intend to do. And nothing is guaranteed, nothing ever is, but the further up the hill we start the less the distance to the top.
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Old 09-22-2012, 06:32 AM   #35
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I was really curious about posting this to know what people thinks about ...

Im an expat here, in the close future Im gonna be daddy of a little daughter. Just knew some days before it will be a girl.

Before knowing this, I was thinking a lot, a lot, about what I would do if being a girl, what I would do in the future, talking about this country and my own family.

My big concern was always thinking that if baby would be a girl, that would be future headaches in this country.

I have been living here enough time to know how many (not all, but many!) dominican men behave with women

I have had many examples given by my wife, unfortunately examples she has not only have heard but lived by her own too or seen in front of her. Some examples have made me so indignant, angry, outraged that I could not believe how men could do and behave that way ...

So I got the conclusion that I dont wanna raise a girl in a country where men respect women that way. It would be a nightmare when my daughter becoming a teenager and a woman ... I think I would finally be involved in many arguments, fights, etc many times, or having to visit some men with a baseball stick in my hands ...

As I said before, not all dominican men are that way, of course, but it is a fact, this country is plenty of that kind of men who dont respect women at all, and I have noticed that being a pretty (and decent) woman in this country, can be quite tough ...

Ok, lets go for your thoughts ....
Ruben,
It's a hard choice to make!
Bottom line is, that offshore she will have more opportunities concerning education, employment and lifestyle.
Keep her connected to the DR by citizenship and at least bilingual education and frequent visits, and possibly a high level position later on if she so chooses.
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Old 09-22-2012, 06:41 AM   #36
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These are natural thoughts every man has when he finds out he has or is going to have a daughter. Raise your daughter in a happy home and she will be the apple of your eye. Be a drunken loser and your daughter will look for a drunken loser. There really is no society in the world where women are not leered at by men. Its the whole nature birds and bees etc. As said multiple times here raise a smart confident woman and she will make the right decisions. On the safe side start taking martial arts lessons and learn how to shoot.
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Old 09-22-2012, 07:01 AM   #37
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Ruben, I agree with dv8. If you raise her the right way there is no way she'll have those problems. These creeps can spot the girls they can smack around a mile away - and they also know who won't take their basura.

There are plenty of decent Dominican guys, and they look for a decent girl to date and marry. If you're a good role model as a husband and father, she'll look for someone like you. Teach her to respect herself, and the guys will respect her too.
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Old 09-22-2012, 07:02 AM   #38
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I always say "A man is not a man, until he has a little girl".

I have 2 boys ages 21 and 16, therefore I still do not respect women the way I would if I were to have a little girl.

Oh well, I still have my mom!!!!!
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Old 09-22-2012, 07:05 AM   #39
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I have the answer!!!!
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Old 09-22-2012, 07:15 AM   #40
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I agree in many things you said givadogahome.

I know your pain. We have a little girl coming up to 3. To cut a long tale short, I wouldn't trust a male here in any way, shape, size or colour, they never grow out of adolescence from the age of 10 till the day they die, they will stick it in anything with or without a heartbeat. Sex crazed is not the word for it, I'm an ugly hairy bloke and I wouldn't bunk down with a drunk Dom for fear of being probed. No way my child is going to school in DR and be subject to being a sexual object. I know she will grow the way lead her, but why should I have to worry about these guys, parenting is difficult and stressful enough without worrying about what others kids are doing, thinking, contemplating.
Hence, we moved away from the Dominican several months ago to prepare for her starting school in a civilzed world. It really isn't a difficult decision when you have a daughter, a son might be different, but I have one little girl and she is not a sexual object, in the DR in the eyes of men, before anything else that is exactly what they see her as. Not yet obviously, but time goes by fast.
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