[brraverishhh]

From www.christianpost.com.sg :-

This is how the writer sees the 'continued persecution' of Rony Tan:-


Home > Missions > Persecution

Militant Secularists Demand Rony Tan's Arrest

Thursday, Feb. 11, 2010 Posted: 1:57:06AM HKT

Richard Dawkins, the author of non-fiction book 'The God Delusion'. (Photo: AP/Akira Suemori) Dissatisfied with the way the controversy over a pastor's remarks on Buddhism has panned out in a successful meeting for reconciliation between leaders of the respective faiths, a group of militant secularists is calling for the arrest of Lighthouse Evangelism founder and senior pastor the Rev. Rony Tan.

Netizens have set up a Facebook group demanding the pastor’s arrest which has since become a platform for many of its members to express their feelings.

Tan had met with representatives from the Buddhist and Taoist faiths Tuesday morning and expressed his apology, giving the two leaders his assurance that the incident would not be repeated, local media reported.

The independent church pastor had made several comments on Buddhism deemed offensive to the faith by many Singaporeans during two testimony sharing sessions by church members which were uploaded on Youtube, a web log and a Facebook group, sparking widespread criticism.

Despite efforts by authorities to address the situation by calling up the pastor and cautioning him to respect the religious beliefs of non-Christians in his preaching, and despite Tan’s online and personal apologies, a section of the population feels that justice has not been served.

They are calling for the Internal Security Department or ISD to detain the pastor under the Sedition Act in the same way the police had on January 31 arrested three young people who posted racist comments on Facebook.

Two netizens, Jayakumar Poomi Nathan and Sabrina Chew Li Mei, have set up the Facebook group ‘Embrace Religious Harmony! Disgrace to Zealots like Rony Tan’ encouraging those with similar views to make their ‘feelings’ known.

Both administrators, whose group had drawn 293 members at the time of writing, have been actively campaigning for their cause on both their Facebook group website and another Facebook website set up in response to it advocating a ‘moderate’ cause.

Members of the group have repeatedly expressed their angry feelings on another Facebook group page created by a supporter of the pastor, Mathew Ho, leading him to delete the group, a member wrote.

Kall Geez, a self-professed Christian who disagrees with the actions of the Lighthouse Evangelism pastor and set up the alternative Facebook group ‘The Moderates Stance’, believes it is ‘timely’ for him to spread a message of religious tolerance and mutual understanding, noting that such situations provide fertile ground for the sprouting of extremist views and actions.

“I firmly believe that ordinary Singaporeans need to take a stand for moderation, most importantly to strengthen societal bonds without having to rely on the government to threaten and arrest people,” said the leader of a group that has attracted 142 members who has been calling for restraint on the part of Jayakumar Poomi Nathan.

These views were also expressed by NUS sociologist Daniel Goh, who said the public response was ‘justified’ but also possibly an ‘overreaction’, according to the Straits Times.

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[Continued From: Page 1] On the latter point he said: “I don’t know whether members of the public talked to or tried to communicate with Pastor Tan first (prior to their online criticisms). For those who reacted by reporting Pastor Tan to the authorities as the first response, it is overreaction. If everyone does that, we would become a police state and religious dialogue would come to a complete halt out of fear.”

Deputy Prime Minister Wong Kan Seng had explained in a reply to media query that being investigated and called up by the ISD is “not less serious than getting investigated by the Police,” adding a word of assurance.

He had said: “The bottom-line in such cases is that we must ensure that the OB markers are clear and that transgressions are dealt with in a balanced and professional manner. Our agencies must be allowed to exercise their professional judgment on how best to achieve this outcome.”

Some Singapore Christians have observed the rise of militant secularism in the republic.

Singaporean Catholic Nick Chui highlighted possible signs of secular intolerance in a web log entry following the prime minister’s National Day Rally speech last year.

He pointed out that major bookstores here have carried titles by militant atheists in prominent locations, signifying ‘sizeable’ demand.

Chui, who is pursuing a theological Master’s in a Catholic seminary in Melbourne, Australia, cited an incident last year in which DBS Bank ended a charitable tie-up with Focus on the Family in support of the latter’s children’s learning centre after many of its customers threatened to cancel their card memberships and close their accounts with the local bank.

The protest was apparently led by playwright and poet Ng Yi-Sheng, who was unhappy that DBS had chosen to work with an organisation with anti-homosexuality, anti-abortion and pro-abstinence values, according to the Straits Times.

Moreover the blogger alluded to the vocal backlash against former Nominated Member of Parliament Dr Thio Li-ann when she spoke against homosexuality during a parliamentary debate in 2007 on whether the law criminalising sodomy should be repealed.

He also wrote a commentary following the controversy involving AWARE which he argued showed the large extent to which militant secularists could influence public opinion.

There was no outcry on how religion was interfering with secular space, he said, when the papers revealed that a religious foundation, Chen Su Lan Trust, had donated $113,000 to AWARE, out of which $35,000 was spent on the latter’s Comprehensive Sexuality Education workshops which promoted homosexuality in eleven secondary schools, Today reported.

In contrast a group of Christians concerned that AWARE had been promoting homosexuality was accused of hatemongering, having a religious agenda and received death threats, he said.

Explaining Chui said: “The issue is not separation of the secular and religious realms. The issue really is that when people of faith [agree] with the values of the liberal elite, they are welcomed with open arms and seen as enlightened and progressive.

“But when a person of faith dares to disagree with the values endorsed by the so called liberal elite, then they had better confine their views to the walls of their churches and temples or risk facing the wrath and anathemas of these new high priests/(or priestesses).”

Arguing that his examples showed that public dialogue in Singapore had degenerated to the point of ‘criminal intimidation’, he stressed that it is militant secularists who determine what is acceptable in society and what is not.

[doctorzlo]

I prefer militant secularists to religious militant anytime! Religious militant will kill you if you disagree with his believe in God. Secularist just makes fun of you if you believe there is a God.

[Peptobismol]

Eng Gai Lia!

Should also arrest his commanders...

From www.christianpost.com.sg :-

This is how the writer sees the 'continued persecution' of Rony Tan:-


Home > Missions > Persecution

Militant Secularists Demand Rony Tan's Arrest

Thursday, Feb. 11, 2010 Posted: 1:57:06AM HKT

Richard Dawkins, the author of non-fiction book 'The God Delusion'. (Photo: AP/Akira Suemori) Dissatisfied with the way the controversy over a pastor's remarks on Buddhism has panned out in a successful meeting for reconciliation between leaders of the respective faiths, a group of militant secularists is calling for the arrest of Lighthouse Evangelism founder and senior pastor the Rev. Rony Tan.

Netizens have set up a Facebook group demanding the pastor’s arrest which has since become a platform for many of its members to express their feelings.

Tan had met with representatives from the Buddhist and Taoist faiths Tuesday morning and expressed his apology, giving the two leaders his assurance that the incident would not be repeated, local media reported.

The independent church pastor had made several comments on Buddhism deemed offensive to the faith by many Singaporeans during two testimony sharing sessions by church members which were uploaded on Youtube, a web log and a Facebook group, sparking widespread criticism.

Despite efforts by authorities to address the situation by calling up the pastor and cautioning him to respect the religious beliefs of non-Christians in his preaching, and despite Tan’s online and personal apologies, a section of the population feels that justice has not been served.

They are calling for the Internal Security Department or ISD to detain the pastor under the Sedition Act in the same way the police had on January 31 arrested three young people who posted racist comments on Facebook.

Two netizens, Jayakumar Poomi Nathan and Sabrina Chew Li Mei, have set up the Facebook group ‘Embrace Religious Harmony! Disgrace to Zealots like Rony Tan’ encouraging those with similar views to make their ‘feelings’ known.

Both administrators, whose group had drawn 293 members at the time of writing, have been actively campaigning for their cause on both their Facebook group website and another Facebook website set up in response to it advocating a ‘moderate’ cause.

Members of the group have repeatedly expressed their angry feelings on another Facebook group page created by a supporter of the pastor, Mathew Ho, leading him to delete the group, a member wrote.

Kall Geez, a self-professed Christian who disagrees with the actions of the Lighthouse Evangelism pastor and set up the alternative Facebook group ‘The Moderates Stance’, believes it is ‘timely’ for him to spread a message of religious tolerance and mutual understanding, noting that such situations provide fertile ground for the sprouting of extremist views and actions.

“I firmly believe that ordinary Singaporeans need to take a stand for moderation, most importantly to strengthen societal bonds without having to rely on the government to threaten and arrest people,” said the leader of a group that has attracted 142 members who has been calling for restraint on the part of Jayakumar Poomi Nathan.

These views were also expressed by NUS sociologist Daniel Goh, who said the public response was ‘justified’ but also possibly an ‘overreaction’, according to the Straits Times.

Pages: 1 | 2 |


[Continued From: Page 1] On the latter point he said: “I don’t know whether members of the public talked to or tried to communicate with Pastor Tan first (prior to their online criticisms). For those who reacted by reporting Pastor Tan to the authorities as the first response, it is overreaction. If everyone does that, we would become a police state and religious dialogue would come to a complete halt out of fear.”

Deputy Prime Minister Wong Kan Seng had explained in a reply to media query that being investigated and called up by the ISD is “not less serious than getting investigated by the Police,” adding a word of assurance.

He had said: “The bottom-line in such cases is that we must ensure that the OB markers are clear and that transgressions are dealt with in a balanced and professional manner. Our agencies must be allowed to exercise their professional judgment on how best to achieve this outcome.”

Some Singapore Christians have observed the rise of militant secularism in the republic.

Singaporean Catholic Nick Chui highlighted possible signs of secular intolerance in a web log entry following the prime minister’s National Day Rally speech last year.

He pointed out that major bookstores here have carried titles by militant atheists in prominent locations, signifying ‘sizeable’ demand.

Chui, who is pursuing a theological Master’s in a Catholic seminary in Melbourne, Australia, cited an incident last year in which DBS Bank ended a charitable tie-up with Focus on the Family in support of the latter’s children’s learning centre after many of its customers threatened to cancel their card memberships and close their accounts with the local bank.

The protest was apparently led by playwright and poet Ng Yi-Sheng, who was unhappy that DBS had chosen to work with an organisation with anti-homosexuality, anti-abortion and pro-abstinence values, according to the Straits Times.

Moreover the blogger alluded to the vocal backlash against former Nominated Member of Parliament Dr Thio Li-ann when she spoke against homosexuality during a parliamentary debate in 2007 on whether the law criminalising sodomy should be repealed.

He also wrote a commentary following the controversy involving AWARE which he argued showed the large extent to which militant secularists could influence public opinion.

There was no outcry on how religion was interfering with secular space, he said, when the papers revealed that a religious foundation, Chen Su Lan Trust, had donated $113,000 to AWARE, out of which $35,000 was spent on the latter’s Comprehensive Sexuality Education workshops which promoted homosexuality in eleven secondary schools, Today reported.

In contrast a group of Christians concerned that AWARE had been promoting homosexuality was accused of hatemongering, having a religious agenda and received death threats, he said.

Explaining Chui said: “The issue is not separation of the secular and religious realms. The issue really is that when people of faith [agree] with the values of the liberal elite, they are welcomed with open arms and seen as enlightened and progressive.

“But when a person of faith dares to disagree with the values endorsed by the so called liberal elite, then they had better confine their views to the walls of their churches and temples or risk facing the wrath and anathemas of these new high priests/(or priestesses).”

Arguing that his examples showed that public dialogue in Singapore had degenerated to the point of ‘criminal intimidation’, he stressed that it is militant secularists who determine what is acceptable in society and what is not.

[Lt_Apple]

I prefer militant secularists to religious militant anytime! Religious militant will kill you if you disagree with his believe in God. Secularist just makes fun of you if you believe there is a God.

What talking u Devil? Aint making fun the same as disagreeing ones faith? LP=PL lah...

[Fegasderty]

I prefer militant secularists to religious militant anytime! Religious militant will kill you if you disagree with his believe in God. Secularist just makes fun of you if you believe there is a God.

That is incorrect.

If you do not believe in God, that is your choice. You will definitely not be killed for your disbelief.

State incidents for your statements.


Your second statement is also incorrect.

Militant secularists do not make fun of you. They organized Facebook to force the authorities into actions that they deem are right.

[Lillie_Steins]

What talking u Devil? Aint making fun the same as disagreeing ones faith? LP=PL lah...

Sigh... Another dumb god-fearing follower I suppose?

[HedgeYourBets]

That is incorrect.

If you do not believe in God, that is your choice. You will definitely not be killed for your disbelief.

State incidents for your statements.


Your second statement is also incorrect.

Militant secularists do not make fun of you. They organized Facebook to force the authorities into actions that they deem are right.

Militant secularists take action based on reasons and logic which is lacking in a religious militant.

[9mm_fan]

Sigh... Another dumb god-fearing follower I suppose?

Definitely not a Moron devil-loving follower like u.

[Ifroham4]

Definitely not a Moron devil-loving follower like u.

Better than an idiotic non-existing-God fearing retards like you.

[tgs]

Better than an idiotic non-existing-God fearing retards like you.

Who said so? The Moronic Devil retard..the like of u said so..

[Ifroham4]

Who said so? The Moronic Devil retard..the like of u said so..

The Moronic Devil retard is way smarter than a brainless God-fearing superstitious morons like you.

[PhillipHer]

The Moronic Devil retard is way smarter than a brainless God-fearing superstitious morons like you.

So Devil you admit to being a Moronic retard here?

Remember the retards who claimed there is no God? These ppl are no better than fools! Retard you are truly a fool!

[9mm_fan]

The Moronic Devil retard is way smarter than a brainless God-fearing superstitious morons like you.

Have to admit ur a honest Devil.

[doctorzlo]

So Devil you admit to being a Moronic retard here?

Remember the retards who claimed there is no God? These ppl are no better than fools! Retard you are truly a fool!

So you admit to being a brainless God-fearing superstitious moron? Remember, a retard who claimed there is a God but have no evidence of it but an old fairy tale book is the worst of fools! You are truly a retard!

[Beerinkol]

Have to admit ur a honest Devil.

Have to admit you are a brainless God-fearing moron.

[Paul Bunyan]

Have to admit you are a brainless God-fearing moron.

Look at ur avatar. Doest it look like a retard bald headed Moron?

[MannoFr]

Look at ur avatar. Doest it look like a retard bald headed Moron?

Look at your post. Doesn't it look like you are posting without thinking, Moron?

[brraverishhh]

Look at your post. Doesn't it look like you are posting without thinking, Moron?

Seeing is believing. So why dont u just move over ur ass and PM me. My friend will show u the way to meet ur Master, Mr Lucifer. So dont be a coward and just empty talk here lah.

[NeroASERCH]

Seeing is believing. So why dont u just move over ur ass and PM me. My friend will show u the way to meet ur Master, Mr Lucifer. So dont be a coward and just empty talk here lah.

Seeing is believing, So why don't you just move over your ass and call the mass media? The mass media friends will be very interested to meet your friend, Mr Lucifer. So don't be an idiot and just empty talk here lah.

[Paul Bunyan]

Seeing is believing, So why don't you just move over your ass and call the mass media? The mass media friends will be very interested to meet your friend, Mr Lucifer. So don't be an idiot and just empty talk here lah.

Another empty talk by the retard Devil. Please dun change the subject. Accept the challenge to meet your friend the Devil.