[TorryJens]

Uh....ok.

http://www.studentrights.org.uk/2011...eland-weekend/

In 2009, Mohthadi created a storm of controversy in his native Australia when his lecture entitled ‘The Keys to a Successful Marriage’ was posted on YouTube. In this he was recorded saying of a wife’s duties that “if the husband wants sex and she is busy she must respond”. He followed this by denying that marital rape exists, stating that if “she does not want to…and he ends up sleeping with her by force it is known to be as a rape. Amazing, how can a person rape his wife?”
In the same lecture he also claimed that whilst his listeners should not hit their wives, it was acceptable if “you smack them, you beat them…just to shape them up”. He followed this by stating that if any woman was to ask her husband for a divorce “without a reason…she will not smell the fragrance of paradise”.

[HedgeYourBets]

They, you know who, will never crawl from their chosen dark-age. Imagine considering the legality of marital rape: not much to consider if one has an ounce of morality or is civilized.

[Paul Bunyan]

There has to be some sort of middle ground which gives women the respect that they deserve and yet keeps them from getting too involved. Women play a valuable role which should not be dismissed and yet when we look to the extreme leftist groups they seem to be dominated by angry, unfulfilled, middle aged women. Is it the years of domination by men that produces people like Tzipy Livni who seem to be contrary just for the sake of it? Perhaps the arabs do what they do regarding women purely instinctively and in our enlightenment we forgot the reason why.

[Lt_Apple]

Its despicable and sickening, and it will never change until Muslim women unite and collectively address these issues. Its their only hope, hope from within.
Islam, by man for men, will never break the chains on women. Its too convenient for me, myself and I..if you are a man, that is.

[Big A]

... when we look to the extreme leftist groups they seem to be dominated by angry, unfulfilled, middle aged women. ... people like Tzipy Livni who seem to be contrary just for the sake of it? .

Unfortunately another example comes to mind - and much closer to home if you live in Australia. With our current PM one can only wish it was Tzipi...

[Ifroham4]

Its despicable and sickening, and it will never change until Muslim women unite and collectively address these issues. Its their only hope, hope from within.
Islam, by man for men, will never break the chains on women. Its too convenient for me, myself and I..if you are a man, that is.

Indeed, Madeline... there are some extremely, courageous Muslim women taking on the insidious status quo. I fear, however, you are right; Islam, by man for men, shall never evolve, especially when it comes to women's rights or much else for that matter.

[Fegasderty]

Two part question; 1) it's one thing for fine western liberals to moan about the theory of mistreating women in all those far off states beyond the sea safely away from the home islands. That's what NatGeo and Amnesty International is for. It's quite another to have or to pretend to have a serious discussion of whether that's permissible on your on front step. At that point you've got to admit you binned western civilization and it's done with.

[brraverishhh]

Two part question; 1) it's one thing for fine western liberals to moan about the theory of mistreating women in all those far off states beyond the sea safely away from the home islands. That's what NatGeo and Amnesty International is for. It's quite another to have or to pretend to have a serious discussion of whether that's permissible on your on front step. At that point you've got to admit you binned western civilization and it's done with.

Thing is, these fine western liberals may moan about the treatment of women far away, while they proclaim to be quite the feminists/in touch with their feminist side, while on the other hand most are nothing but Muslim apologists who wouldn't be caught dead under the same laws and standards.

[9mm_fan]

Marital rape-shmarital rape... I am more concerned about the treatment of women in the modern Israel. You know, Beit Shemesh et al. Should we start a new thread or this one will suffice?

[softy54534]

please start one./

[Paul Bunyan]

There are eastern Europeans who come to the UK from countries where its apparently OK to drink and drive and they are astounded when they find themselves in jail here for doing this. What give anyone else the arrogance to assume they can pick and choose which laws they feel like obeying and those they wont because its all right where they come from