[Drugmachine]

The problem is when the other parties' response is a cordon sanitaire, you can't get into the government, not even with 35%. Eventually people will lose faith and vote for alternative rightist parties that don't focus on islam.

Yesterday it has happened to Vlaams Belang which fell back to where they were in 2004. The loss of votes went to two new players, LDD (Dedecker who targets traditional liberal party and is a spin off) and NVA (De Wever and his New Flemish Alliance which is closest to VB but leaves topics such as islam out of its program). Together they have roughly 40% of the votes.

But Belgium is relative different because of the tension between north and south, the Netherlands doesn't have that problem. That's why Wilders wants to see the Dutch part of Belgium corporated into the Netherlands.

[HedgeYourBets]

hat's why Wilders wants to see the Dutch part of Belgium corporated into the Netherlands.

Any recent Belgian referendum on that end?

[Beerinkol]

Any recent Belgian referendum on that end?

No, at first glance it is a relative far fetched solution but the idea can be a lever. Only Vlaams Belang is openly sympathetic to Wilders' suggestion. However, it can change rapidly because the ongoing shift towards rightist parties has everything to do with the growing discontent about the lack in progress (non whatsoever) regarding further changes in the constitution. Duth people don't vote left, anything left anymore. Socialist party is on the rebound, other left alternatives are close to electorale dead.

Walloon situation, socialist party PS is still the biggest party, nothing new there despite many scandals over the past years. It's like the walloon people only vote in fear for what is happening on the other side of Brussels.

[Paul Bunyan]

I figure if the economy is growing astronomically there will be a push otherwise not so much. In the UK that seems to be the deal with devolution. Canada a bit more complicated.

[HedgeYourBets]

Belgium is an artificial country and is a prime example of a failed state. Eventually Flanders and the Netherlands will be one state. A very large majority of the Netherlands supports this. And there also polls that show a majority amongst Flemish people for this. It also depends how this one Dutch state will look like. A very loose federation is most likely, and this is also what the majority of the Flemish people prefer. A state where the Netherlands will impose its will on Flanders of course will be rejected.
Of course the French speaking part is opposing this, because their economy is in a very bad situation and depends on bakshish from the Dutch speaking north.

[Slonopotam845]

The Jobbiks in Hugary got nearly 15% and they are straight up uncoated Nazis

http://ejpress.org/article/37098

And then they had a nice meeting with the BNP in Hungary

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6457752.ece

[Lt_Apple]

Belgium is an artificial country and is a prime example of a failed state.

Affirmative!

On the days of our royal family they have to fill the fences with schoolkids. No security is needed, it’s a non-event!
The worst thing that can happen over here is when some lost driver hunks from behind to speed up the parade.

People didn't vote anymore for VB because they get tired of their hatemongering against muslims, non-catholic flemish foreigners in general, Frenchspeaking people, entry of Turkey in the EU, etc.

Scratch, if you say so. Muslim immigration is just as much disliked today as it was when VB reached 30%.

People lost faith when their vote became devalued after foreigners received the same right. This caused the first deceptive little loss for VB but with a very important psychological effect as if VB reached a ceiling.
But it ain’t over, even with 20% they can get in the government one day because Dedecker doesn’t support the cordon, De Wever can be persuated (later) if he can let the Christian Democrats crash once more into the B-H-V wall.

To achieve its objectives VB is closer than ever if they don’t panic and stay the course.

[HedgeYourBets]

What will happen to my ugly little Charleroi airport, where they serve the big burger, will Wilders save it?

[Raj_Copi_Jin]

Achihud

On the days of our royal family they have to fill the fences with schoolkids. No security is needed, it’s a non-event!
The worst thing that can happen over here is when some lost driver hunks from behind to speed up the parade. the majority of Belgians still support the monarchy and Belgium, altough they are not very nationalistic or patriottic, especially compared to France.


Scratch, if you say so. Muslim immigration is just as much disliked today as it was when VB reached 30%. I would say there's a change, many people now realise the migrants are going to stay. What people don't want is more immigration, not only from muslim or African countries but equally from Eastern Europe.


People lost faith when their vote became devalued after foreigners received the same right. This caused the first deceptive little loss for VB but with a very important psychological effect as if VB reached a ceiling. I wouldn't say the loss of sunday was deceptive, it was very real, the party lost nearly half of its votes. Also, I don't understand how Jews can support fascists like those ones. Many of their supporters are neo-nazi's and have outspoken racist ideas, including antisemitic ones. (especially in Antwerp)


But it ain’t over, even with 20% they can get in the government one day because Dedecker doesn’t support the cordon, De Wever can be persuated (later) if he can let the Christian Democrats crash once more into the B-H-V wall. This is extremely unlikely, especially now that they have lost the elections. The big winner of the elections are the center christian-democrats, they will NEVER form a government with VB, and Dedecker himself is very controversial and only received 8% of the votes. (besides I don't think Dedecker is good news for Israel-supporters he's the most outspoken supporter of the palestinian cause in Belgian politics, also Flemish nationalists NVA support the palestinian cause)





To achieve its objectives VB is closer than ever if they don’t panic and stay the course. I would say the inverse, now that they lost the election big time their "momentum" is over.