[LomodiorCon]

"In my day..."

[mxzjxluwst]

Yeah that was supposedly the last US Army bayonet charge. The Brits have used bayonets in Afghanistan, I see from Wikipedia.

The Marine Corps still uses bayonets, however. In fact, the Corps recently improved them. No more M9 bayonets; now the OKC-3S; I always assumed it was just a Ka-Bar. Guess it's somehow different?





But not using the bayonets is a minor point! The bigger issue is this talk of no screaming at and berating recruits and this smart phone crap.

[Bonioners]

bayonet charges

Still, you don't have mandatory physical ed in the US? In the land of the obese? What happened to Arnie's gym program?

Budget cuts. People wanted to keep art and music classes so phys ed gets the axe first.

In 1975, the United States House of Representatives voted to require school physical education classes include both genders.[3] Some high school and some middle school PE classes are single-sex. Requiring individuals to participate in physical education activities, such as dodge ball, flag football, and other competitive sports remains a controversial subject because of the social impact these have on young children. It is, however, important to note that many school budgets have seen cutbacks and in some cases physical education programs have been cut - leaving educators and students to address these needs in other ways I don't see what's so controversial about having kids play competitive sports I guess this is the type of America we've turned into... one where Army recruits don't even get yelled at!

[goctorsurger]

The Army still issues you bayonets (they're made by Buck Knife in Northern San Diego County) but I don't think I ever used mine for anything other then opening packages. The self sharpening sheath kept them razor sharp though they come so well oiled you definitely don't want to use it to open an MRE or anything you'll eat. Not unless you enjoy gun oil in your food.

[Ivanaishere]

My church has a mission at the US Naval Academy during this year's Plebe Summer. Supposedly, the midshipmen are no longer allowed to do anything more than yell at the plebes (no more assigning them manual labor, for example) for fear of bad press or something. :shrug:

[GetsTan]

THIS is what the Army isn't going to do anymore...



I assume the Army Drill Sergeants are the same way as DI's, right, Oerdin?

Really, how the hell are Army recruits going to prepare for the stress of combat, the ability to react appropriately in a chaotic and loud environment, and develop the lungs to be able to verbally communicate in said environment unless they get yelled at and are forced to respond louder than the DI's with "Aye aye, Sir!!!!"???

[flnastyax]

Only Navy pukes use aye aye.

Marines do as well, Coldwizard. But you're right. My mistake, Army doesn't, I guess. Still the point stands whether they're saying "Yes sir!" or whatever they say.

[TNOULbr2]

Marines are just Navy appendages.

It's the Men's Department of the Navy

And to be clear, the Marine Corps is part of the Department of the Navy but not part of the Navy (as in the military branch).

[amehoubFomo]

It's the Men's Department of the Navy

And to be clear, the Marine Corps is part of the Department of the Navy but not part of the Navy (as in the military branch).

I was originally going to reply with:

To be clear the Marines are the penis of the Navy, since the Navy is a bunch of pussies.

But I like Navy pukes and don't want them to go cry in their bunks.

[nerrttrw]

I'm actually not sure if a bayonet fits on an M4 though... Any gouge on this, Oerdin?

[socialkiiii]

Al, the M4A1 has the standard mount at the front so you could mount a bayonet though honestly it would be retarded as hell since the main point of the M4 is to have a stub nosed rifle which is better for urban combat. My experience was that as of 2004 only the infantry had M4's and everyone else had M16's unless they were one of the crew served weapon guys.

[Aagotiq]

bayonet charges

Still, you don't have mandatory physical ed in the US? In the land of the obese? What happened to Arnie's gym program?

We do in Virginia.

[eEwbYjOH]

He must have gotten hungry over the cheesesteak link I posted.

[Alex]

By the time those kids arrived at basic training, not only did they lack aerobic or physical strength, but changes in their bone mass left them vulnerable to stress fractures and broken bones, he said.
What kind of faggots get "stress fractures"?

[ketNavatutt]

**** **** games
What?

[AnetTeilor]

**** **** games

What? We've been over this before, Asher. **** **** games. We talked about it.

Lots of people. Especially fat ****ers who aren't used to running and who are suddenly made to run a lot.

You're not really helping my case here

Tell Asher that doing sprints on concrete in ICB's is a bad idea and can lead to increased risk of stress fractures. Especially when you're doing buddy carries and ammo can carries. Plus, that rucksacks aren't designed to be carried in front of you while you run circles on the parade deck.

[WaydayTew]

Hazing is technically a punishable offense under Article 92 of the UCMJ and MCO 1700.28... so no hazing occurs at MCRD Parris Island, MCRD San Diego, or OCS... instead, there's **** **** games. Not hazing; it's instruction. To an outsider, I'm not sure they would see the distinction, to be honest, though. Still, it's not quite the same thing.

These **** **** games can be as benign as "2 sheets and a blanket" or "Show me" games or as frustrating as the one I described from that night or my personal pet peeve involving holding back the charging handle on the M16. There's so many **** **** games that DI's play.

[Ndptbudd]

Sigh... I feel I've said too much as is. This stuff isn't really for civilian consumption

However, to wet your appetite a bit, I'll quote some random guy off facebook:

he was one evil mother****er. I didn't know human arms could hold a pack straight out for that long. I think at one point I was almost in tears it hurt so bad. Oh, and not to mention squeezing nut to butt with your rack mate on the wall- bare ass naked. Or fitting the entire platoon in the laundrey bay. Or squeezing the entire platoon into 2 bathroom stalls. Or playing ****-**** games in the nude. Or getting dressed by the numbers. Or getting undressed by the numbers. Or making your rack by the numbers. Jesus, If I ever hear the words "grab your weapons, I'm gonna show you what 8 pounds can do," ever again, I think i might join the Air force.

[incizarry]

You actually don't have foot lockers in the army for private use during basic training but yes they do stuff similar to that.

[chuecaloversvvp]

**** **** games

What? Dedovshchina.