[unfolaReemoma]

I can guarantee they aren't downvoting because it's not newsworthy.

[Keyblctt]

Every reddit poster is actually one of my sockpuppets.

[Roferurse]

I understand the overlap. That's why it's distracting. Throwing in legal regulations that may or may not apply to the ACORN rep is pointless but introduces confusion. Exhibit A: This thread and the resulting threadjack.


Actually it's fairly clear to me you don't understand the role of professional engineers. Professional engineers have to consult on and sign off on projects, for instance. Someone makes changes to a schematic, they need to run it by an engineer who can deem it to be safe and sign off for it.

There's a substantial amount of ethics and legal responsibility involved. It's not as far removed as you may think it is.

I still don't get why you keep up your irrelevant and confusing threadjack about whether legal ethics "apply." My point wasn't "that lady on the video violated legal ethics," but that "legal ethics are well known to be less averse to concealment of crime than ethical rules of other professions, so if her conduct would breach the former, more permissive standard, then a fortiori it'd be ****ing asinine to suggest as you did that her conduct is somehow par for the course in the field of tax advice."

That's no more "confusing" than to say "if X's recreational marijuana use would break the law even in Oregon where medicinal use is legalized, then a fortiori his recreational use in Texas would certainly break the law, so it'd be ****ing asinine to suggest that Texans smoke weed with impunity." Quit being deliberately obtuse.

[Unrersvar]

****ing ACORN

I'm sure che or someone has a defense for this...

it's a legitimate profession. At least in my state.

[unioneserry]

They filmed this July 24, so they had lots of opportunities. If I were them and had more than a couple "hits", I would dangle just one out there and see what they did with it.

[Txaizdxx]

Just a thought...those of you who saw the video or heard the audio? There are a lot of people speaking in the background, a lot of kids too. This didn't happen behind closed doors where nobody could hear, this was out where people could hear. They just didn't care.

Probably because this was routine.

Are you joking? Seriously?

What happened to you?

[Nptxsews]

Are you joking? Seriously?

What happened to you?

To much Fox News. It's effecting his brain.

[BodoidearoLew]

They filmed this July 24, so they had lots of opportunities. If I were them and had more than a couple "hits", I would dangle just one out there and see what they did with it.

*AHEM*

One day after two ACORN officials in Baltimore were fired for offering to help a man and woman posing as a pimp and prostitute to engage in child prostitution and a series of tax crimes, another secretly shot videotape has surfaced that shows the same couple getting similar advice from ACORN officers in Washington.

The newly released videotape, shot on July 25, shows ACORN staffers explaining to the pair how they can hide the woman's professed work — prostitution — and get a loan that will help them establish a brothel.

James O'Keefe, a 25-year-old independent filmmaker, posed as the pimp while visiting the ACORN office, accompanied by 20-year-old Hannah Giles, who posed as the prostitute. On a videotape provided to FOXNews.com, they are seen receiving guidance to establish the woman as the sole proprietor of a bogus company to mask the nature of her business.

"She's not going to put on (the loan application) that she's doing prostitution ... she doesn't have to," the ACORN staffer says. "You don't have to sit back and tell people what you do."

The ACORN staffer is heard suggesting that O'Keefe can purchase a house, and as the landlord, if he is ever questioned by authorities, he can say he was unaware of the illegal business going on inside.

"[W]hen the police ask you, (tell them) you don't know where (the money is) coming from," the staffer said. "We are looking out for you."

The ACORN employee later suggests that O'Keefe, who said he had a budding political career, not linger at the house in case people "put the dots together" and leave him "smeared and tarnished" by his association with his prostitute girlfriend. She should keep her business "low key," the employee said.

An ACORN spokesman told FOX News the group would need to look at the full tape and transcript before commenting.

• STORY: ACORN Officials Videotaped Telling 'Pimp,' 'Prostitute' How to Lie to IRS

One day before the Washington video was shot, O'Keefe and Giles sought help from ACORN workers in Baltimore, who told the pair how to falsify tax forms and seek illegal benefits for 13 "very young" girls from El Salvador that they said they said they wanted to import as prostitutes.

As he did in the taping in Baltimore, O'Keefe told the Washington officers that he had plans to bring as many as 10 women from El Salvador to work as prostitutes in Giles' "business."

"There's like 10 girls," O'Keefe says. "There's ten El Salvodoreans."

The ACORN staffer replies, "I understand what you are saying."

ACORN — the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now — calls itself a network of families "working together for social justice and stronger communities," according to its Web site.

The organization has been accused by conservatives and Republicans of committing fraud in voter registration drives around the country, and reaction to the videotape came swiftly after its release on Thursday.

"Taxpayers should be outraged that their money has gone to an organization that, in addition to facing charges of voter fraud and tax violations, is willing to facilitate prostitution," said Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa.

"As this video confirms, ACORN continues to operate as a criminal enterprise."

The first videotape, made in the Baltimore offices of ACORN, was made public Thursday on the political blog BigGovernment.com. That night, after portions of the video were aired throughout the day on FOX News, the group fired the two women who assisted O'Keefe and Giles in Baltimore.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,549241,00.html

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[Theorsell]

Yeah, once is bad, but twice starts to show a pattern.
Well done.
But I would still like to know how many times they tried.
Out of 100, 2 wouldn't seem so bad, but I doubt they tried that many times.

[yatrahnualenu]

Yes, it's very interesting.

How many billions of dollars are we giving ACORN?

[fd8IIys2]

Don't you find the advice being given slightly disturbing?
Regardless of the politics.

[Kingerix]

Real proponents of democracy at work there.

Indeed

[Everwondopedo]

Sounds like no matter how many you would still defend them.

[Teeppoodiug]

I don't want them to be closed down, I want them to pay more attention to the bad apples.
What we've seen could be just the tip of the iceberg. It's damaging to their reputation and I think it is a flaw in the organization. Just saying since they're low-income you expect them to be breaking the law is not acceptable.

[Zavdpacq]

Hmm I'm a republican and I do think when they're outed it does reflect poorly on the party as a whole, so I don't see a double standard here.

[adultcheee]

Based on my voting record over a lifetime, sadly yes I'm a republican.
Besides I get funnier junk mail because of it. All those thinly disguised donation requests that look like surveys are hilarious. Obama's socialistic programs will turn the US into another Nazi Germany. (unless you fill out this survey and send us 1,000 dollars)
The ones that have been posted here are lightweights compared to the some that I've received in the last few weeks.

And I just joined my first fantasy type football league (salary cap) so I don't think I'm quite ready for a hockey fantasy team yet.