[iDzcs7TU]

It's about time some of the RCC higher ups faced charges for conspiracy.

I'm tired of finding out it's been going on for decades only to have been covered up by the church.

Men of god? I think not.

[tipoketpu]

Catholics just can't stop raping little children, it's in their nature.

[pkopwqzsdcvbn]

Why do you fixate on gays, Ben?

This has nothing to do with gays, and everything to do with celibate catholics being pedophiles.

Wait a second, aren't you a celibate virgins?

Oh.

[shemadagaswer]

I'm not the one with a fixation on the Catholic church.

Incidentally, you are.

How many threads have I started about gay people? You seem to post about them all the time, Ben. Just sayin'.

I do however object to gay people taking cheap shots at my church. How is it a cheap shot? Your church has molested and raped many children around the world. They covered it up. And now when people bring light to the situation you accuse them of fixating on your church and taking cheap shots. Get a clue.

Are you accusing me of being a pedophile? I'm just connecting dots. I do know you are mentally ill in a great many ways. I'm done being surprised by you. You may or may not be a pedophile, but I do know I'd keep any children of mine or my friends' far from you.

[MrGunjMan_]

Your church has molested and raped many children around the world. Oddly, I see no mention of the sex of the victims? Could this be that once again gay people are responsible? Why is it everytime this comes up, it's always boys and not girls?

Asher, the molester is responsible, not the Church.

They covered it up. And now when people bring light to the situation you accuse them of fixating on your church and taking cheap shots. Get a clue. They are now dealing with it. I accuse you of fixating about the Catholic church, because I never see you reporting sexual abuse which happens elsewhere. And always, it's the same thing, over and over again, an attack on clerical celibacy.

Don't you believe in individual responsibility, that people can control their sexual urges?

[Erawise]

I do however object to people taking cheap shots at my church.

That's actually a fair point. There are around 1 billion Catholics on the planet. The fact that a few of them happen to be pedophiles should come as absolutely no surprise to anyone.

[ViagraPriceBuying]

I thought I made it clear I'm not calling you a pedophile. Then edit it off your post.

[RayFairhurst]

Then edit it off your post.

How can I edit something I've never said? In fact, I can see quite plainly I've twice stated in this thread that I don't know if you're a pedophile.

You're awfully defensive here for something I've not even accused you of. Why so jumpy, Ben?

[Tribas4u]

Oh, I know, but not all catholics are priests.

Also there are, I believe, millions of priests. It still should be unsurprising that there are sex scandals. Christ we have sex scandals in Congress all the time and there's only 538 of them.

Sorry, how many politicians have molested children?

I can only think of one who came close...Mark Foley. Oh, he was a Catholic.

Huh.

[Glanteeignile]

You're awfully defensive here for something I've not even accused you of. Why so jumpy, Ben? So, when you say, 'Connect the dots', I'm supposed to assume the following:

1. I am celibate.
2. Celibate people are automatically child molestors.
3. Therefore I am a child molestor?

Or am I supposed to connect the dots in some alternative fashion?

Please advise.

[Tazqoaap]

Why the **** does the sex of a victim of child molestation matter? They are victims. Have you no heart? Oh, I'm very sure it matters, which is why it was left off by the powers that be and the source you chose to quote. It raises some uncomfortable questions about the sexuality of the molestor.

The Church's policies create the molester. That much is clear. Human beings are not meant to be celibate. Oh, I see.

So, lets take this a step further.

You've stated that Church policies create the monster. Then you refer to Mark Foley who was not celibate.

He had sent suggestive emails and sexually explicit instant messages, while driving his blue 2003 Mercury Marauder, to teenaged males Gee, seems these folks have something in common.

[Lenny Hensley]

Oh, I'm very sure it matters

I'm sure it matters to you...I wouldn't dare to say why.

Oh, I see.

So, lets take this a step further.

You've stated that Church policies create the monster. Then you refer to Mark Foley who was not celibate. Oh, Ben. Such a childlike mind...

Church policies can create the monster. The monster can be created in many other ways. Another way, closely related, is sexual repression. Let's say a man is a Republican congressman who needs to repress his sexuality to keep his image intact and probably convince himself he's completely normal. A man like Mark Foley, maybe.

Gee, seems these folks have something in common. I see you're on your "only gays are pedophiles" bent again. It's unfortunate you refuse to read basic literature on the matter, and it's unfortunate you refuse to read and comprehend the posts of others because people have lectured you on this before.

[Leaters]

I see you're on your "only gays are pedophiles" bent again. It's unfortunate you refuse to read basic literature on the matter, and it's unfortunate you refuse to read and comprehend the posts of others because people have lectured you on this before Where did I say this?

I think Mark Foley caused him to solicit sex from 15 year old boys, but then I believe in individual responsibility.

However, you seem to be denying that he has such control by blaming 'sexual repression' forcing him to arrange clandestine trysts.

[Gromiaaborn]

I'm just returning the favour.

Most of the Catholics I know aren't homophobes. Similarly, almost all the Catholics I know have no problem with contraception. Though I suppose I can see where you're coming from.

[MedicineForUs]

I do however object to gay people taking cheap shots at my church.

Says the guy who takes cheap shots at gay people.

[CenICrerflind]

Catholics hate you?

Yes - the Vatican and many Catholic Church clergy do indeed hate gay people.

[Trercakaressy]

I wouldn't characterize it as hate. I think they see it as sinful behavior that should be avoided.

Admittedly this isn't really much better.

It's definitely hate by some.

One Catholic on Apolyton continues to equate gays with pedophiles whenever possible. If a priest is a pedophile, it's cause them gays infiltrated the clergy...

[Enliseell]

You'd need to compare it to other professions, such as protestant preachers.

[Kafuuil]

Does anyone know a figure for the prevalence of pedophilia among males of the general population? Wiki says the figure doesn't exist, but that's Wiki. Until it and a figure for prevalence among the Catholic clergy are found, it's hard to say if there's a real correlation. It might just be that molesting priests garner more headlines than your common wandering pervert.

What is the prevalence of covering up child sexual abuse in the general population?

I don't know if being a catholic priest leads to pedophilia but I certainly see an organisation that does everything in it's power (including relocating pedophile priests to other unsuspecting areas) to conceal the problem. If your local school board did the same I would expect to see charges.

This answers your question as well Hauldren.

edit - Yeah, what Ming said...

[Pipindula]

The effect of celibacy is that it turns sexual conduct by priests into sexual abuse. They themselves have taken it upon them to refrain from sex and so members of their congregation expect to be safe from sexual harassment. That this is not the case makes the abuse all the more traumatic. It's the moral highground the priests take (examplified by their vow of abstinance) that leads to the enormous outrage that follows the abuse. IMO that's the correlation between celibacy and the outrage over pedosexual conduct by priests and why they (rightfully) have to take so much flak over it.