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Old 05-09-2010, 12:24 AM   #21
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There is one, arguably two subjective questions on the survey, Asher: "third-world employees working for American companies are exploited" and "the standard of living is higher now than 30 years ago". That's "many"?
"free trade leads to unemployment" is also subjective...or more accurately, nuanced.

Jobs will be lost with free trade. That's a fact.

They may very well be made up elsewhere, but that doesn't stop it from leading to unemployment.

I consider at least 37.5% of the questions being blatantly subjective/nuanced as "many".
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Old 05-09-2010, 12:25 AM   #22
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exploit: use or manipulate to one's advantage

How does this not apply to using cheap labour in foreign countries?


How are they being manipulated? They freely take jobs with the American companies because it's better for them.
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Old 05-09-2010, 12:26 AM   #23
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exploit: use or manipulate to one's advantage

How does this not apply to using cheap labour in foreign countries?

How are they being manipulated? They freely take jobs with the American companies because it's better for them. Do you understand the word 'or'?
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Old 05-09-2010, 12:27 AM   #24
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No. No it's ****ing not.
It is.

A single person losing their job -> creating unemployment

Your pedantry fails when you don't understand the subject matter, Kuci.

Do you believe that no one loses their job because of free trade?
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Old 05-09-2010, 12:28 AM   #25
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It is.

A single person losing their job -> creating unemployment

Your pedantry fails when you don't understand the subject matter, Kuci.
There are no intelligent people here who agree with this post.
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Old 05-09-2010, 12:29 AM   #26
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There are no intelligent people here who agree with this post.


QFT
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Old 05-09-2010, 12:30 AM   #27
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There are no intelligent people here who agree with this post.
This is another one of your stupid posts, as clearly there are.

Free trade DOES lead to unemployment. This is a basic economic fact. It has been proven.

This is the reasoning behind H1-B quotas in the US, among many other things. True free trade puts American workers out of jobs.

The job numbers may equalize GLOBALLY due to free trade, but that perspective isn't made clear in the survey NOR is it a practical implication for the people being asked. I don't give a **** about the employment rate in Mexico. Free trade enables jobs to leave Canada (unemployment) while getting created in other countries. They cause unemployment.
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Old 05-09-2010, 12:32 AM   #28
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There are no intelligent people here who agree with this post, either.

You can't be an effective troll if people actually know you know you're lying.
You must be on drugs or something, you're not usually this stupid.

Free trade causes people to lose their jobs as they get exported to other countries. This is a fact. This is causing unemployment.

FWIW, I am a proponent of free trade and a global economy. I just don't pretend there's no ramifications for it like you do.
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Old 05-09-2010, 12:34 AM   #29
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Consider: Ford closes a plant employing 6,000 people in Southern Ontario and opens up a new plant in Mexico employing 6,000 people.

To pedantic actuaries and economists, there's obviously no unemployment here.

But if you ask one of the 6,000 workers, or anyone from their communities, they sure as **** did cause unemployment.

It was a terrible question from a pretty stupid group.
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Old 05-09-2010, 12:37 AM   #30
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Don't be such a bore. You're trying to have an ontological debate about the "nature of Things". I'm trying to tell you that if we don't have any model, we might as well call the stuff "subjective", because the only object we know is indeed "different to different people".

I didn't know you were a platonist metaphysician.
Luckily, we do have a number of candidate models and an active, intense scientific investigation into the phenomenon. The question now is no more subjective than the existence of the luminiferous aether before 1905.
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Old 05-09-2010, 12:49 AM   #31
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I can understand why a harvard educated economist would be a libertarian but there is no reason why an auto worker should be or 90% of the nation for that matter.


There's always pride in being a non-retard.
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Old 05-09-2010, 01:15 AM   #32
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I've never seen Drake actually defend a position.
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Old 05-09-2010, 01:18 AM   #33
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Drake is actually a professional troll.
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Old 05-09-2010, 01:26 AM   #34
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And as I said, this was a good one.
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Old 05-09-2010, 01:30 AM   #35
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As a history major? Do you stand outside and give street lectures on the history of advertising?
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