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Old 03-02-2010, 10:24 PM   #21
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I edited (excessively, as most always). Meritocracy only becomes a real disaster for human and civil rights.

Regarding promotions (and, largely, even success) in the civilian and military world, it is not only useful but essential.
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Old 03-02-2010, 10:30 PM   #22
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End game... I believe in meritocracy too but not for civil or human rights.
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Old 03-02-2010, 10:35 PM   #23
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End game... I believe in meritocracy too but not for civil or human rights.
What are "civil rights"? What are "human rights"? The current definition of human rights is nothing but a compromise, that all humanity dosen't even agree upon!
How do you define them, what about how other people define them? Why not leave the decision about what human rights are to people or God forbid the market? Shouldn't reality be the judge of what works best?



Is acces to information a "human right"? Inteligence agencies violate them for our own good.

Is freedom a "human right"? We deny it to those who endanger other people's "human rights". Or for his own good since he is a drug user. Or is our political oponent.

Is freedom of speech a "human right"? What about when it endangers other people's "human rights"? Who decides on when this is the case?

Sure I'm pulling an old quis custodiet ipsos custodes in my last two questions. But mull on this. What is a "human" in the longview?
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Old 03-02-2010, 10:44 PM   #24
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Democracy is the edge of civil and human rights.
Is Democracy a value?
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Old 03-02-2010, 10:49 PM   #25
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Labor laws, environmental regulations, universal suffrage
the pursuit of happiness, life... Can't you see how the first can destroy the second?
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Old 03-02-2010, 10:58 PM   #26
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The natural world only cares about what survives. The most rational human would opt for a system that does the best it can to help humans in their current form survive (and any deviants from human norm would opt for systems that ensure that for them). Perhaps human rights are a good aproach to this, but I see massive issues with how one scales them. Human rights brought to their ultimate conclusions are inhumane and censorship in these few precious centuries before radical selfmodification takes off is worth far less than the future, I stand by this even if we need to reduce human illusions of saftey in order to facilitate true information agregation.
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Old 03-02-2010, 11:06 PM   #27
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If you really want to play "who's a better anarchist", I'm an ex-paratrooper with extensive education and experience in food security.
I'm not. Since I'm not really an anarchist (being an anarchist is selfdefeating).
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Old 03-03-2010, 07:52 PM   #28
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Meritocracy is BS because all tests are biased.
Obviously rejecting all test for the default is also biased. You yourself have made that clear by stating that it is "fair."
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Old 03-04-2010, 01:57 AM   #29
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"holdover values"?

Example?
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Old 03-04-2010, 04:44 AM   #30
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Little secret. Lots of atheists have holdover values left from Christianity or general theism that they don't review and continue to cherish quite irattionaly since they make no sense without believing in a afterlife or a creator.
So? What does that have to do with what I said?
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Old 03-04-2010, 06:39 PM   #31
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Who was the founder of the Tea Party? Someone within the establishment of the Republican party? Or someone from the outside?
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Old 03-04-2010, 07:21 PM   #32
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Note that the Tea Party is still largely decentralized. Any claims to 'leaders' of the TP are generally just attempts (by the GOP, in the case of Palin) to co-opt the movement and garner TP votes.

There is a distinct difference between libertarian TPers like Rand Paul and warmongering 'conservative' Tea-o-cons like Palin.
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Old 03-04-2010, 07:41 PM   #33
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Homosexuals don't listen much to Rush.
They called themselves Teabaggers first. Deal with it.
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Old 03-14-2010, 09:36 AM   #34
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I don't see them accomplishing anything. They want every little group to decide on their own agenda which will result in chaos.
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Old 03-14-2010, 11:15 AM   #35
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boo
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Old 03-14-2010, 10:11 PM   #36
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[quote]They called themselves Teabaggers first. Deal with it.
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