[AricGoffgog]

another boring/stupid thread brought to you by the loin

[warrgazur]

another boring/stupid thread brought to you by the loin

To your credit, this time you're just doing a run-of-the-mill threadshitting rather than calling me a liar or mentally unstable

[thighikergove]

You wish it could be undone. Nope, you're screwed.

[PersonalLoansBank]

I like to imagine that Hell, if it were to exist, would be independent of our timeline. It always contains all those that will eventually be sentenced to it. So if you never exist (because your parents were killed before you were born), then you will never be sentenced to Hell, and Hell does not contain you.

I was thinking that the Multiple Worlds interpretation of time travel would resolve the paradox, but the problem is that it introduces another paradox - you might be in Hell in one timeline and in Heaven in another. Even if there are some people who would go to heaven/hell in any timeline I have trouble believing that this is the norm.

[CoallyPax]

Why is what rah's doing so much worse than what you and Drake do? Because it's you?

[Aluback]

I was serious about the Asher-Ben rule. Sloww at least makes an attempt at masking his naked contempt for everybody other than himself, but Rah has crossed the line.

[gtyruzzel]

I was serious about the Asher-Ben rule. Sloww at least makes an attempt at masking his naked contempt for everybody other than himself, but Rah has crossed the line.

Said the guy that has my name in his signature line. Which is against the rules.
So I did also just for fun.

[obegeLype]

Said the guy that has my name in his signature line. Which is against the rules.
So I did also just for fun.

Yes, because calling somebody a classy poster and linking to a thread as evidence is equivalent to calling somebody a liar, in need of medication (but obviously just penicillin!), and the most boring poster. Please go away. You had ample opportunity to demonstrate remorse for your shameless and malicious attacks on me of late but you missed the boat due in all likelihood to having no remorse whatsoever - instead you offered nothing but empty justifications for your indefensible actions.

Lori, I agree to stop posting in any thread started by rah. I would like rah to stop posting in any thread started by me. If either of us breaks this agreement then please ban the offending party for at least a week.

[Falik]

Loin, you really should ease up on the alcohol when you're on Apolyton.

This is not funny, no matter how many you add

[riverakathy]

You misunderstand Boris.

Purgatory is for cleansing away your sins provided you are a believer.

Only unbelievers go to hell, which is simply, 'eternal separation' from God.

God gives us all a choice, to accept him or reject him. If we choose to reject him, then he gives us what we've chosen, an eternity without him.

[pupyississido]

It strikes me as inconsistent to follow Church doctrine on things like purgatory (which isn't in the Bible) and to reject Church doctrine on things like equality in marriage (IIRC Ben said that if a priest told him that husband and wife were equal then he'd get a new priest).

[ChexEcodece]

It strikes me as inconsistent to follow Church doctrine on things like purgatory (which isn't in the Bible) 1. Purgatory is scriptural.

1 Corinthians 3:13-5

If any man builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames. Paul is very clear here, this is exactly what purgatory is, the cleansing of sins from believers in preparation for ascending into heaven.

and to reject Church doctrine on things like equality in marriage (IIRC Ben said that if a priest told him that husband and wife were equal then he'd get a new priest). No, you misunderstood. Any priest who taught that men and women were equal in marriage and also taught that this is a teaching contradicted by scripture, these are the folks I would walk out on. I agree, men and women are equal, but I believe it is well attested in scripture.

[refsherne]

It would just form an oscillating discontinuity in the multiverse.

[DebtDetox]

But if they never bore me are they really my parents...? Besides if we imagine souls are finite in number and immortal I guess my soul would just be inserted in another embryo (as we all well know embryos' have souls, QED).

[chzvacmyye]

No, no, no. You don't go to Hell as yet another warning. By that point, you've pretty much played your cards.

[espenijij]

I just noticed that the Closed Forum tributary thread is misnamed - it should say "dickgirling," not "dicking"

[jesyflowers]

know you're the self-appointed spokesperson for all things religious here on Apolyton, but you'd do well to recognize that you're only entitled to speak for yourself Which justifies you being a dick? I wanted to engage you in a discussion, but I'm sorry to see it goes one way for you. I thought you were better than this Boris.

[Idorsearogele]

When you start off with being a condescending **** yourself Where's the condescension? Saying that you are mistaken is condescention, and then explaining why I thought you were wrong? Wow.

Not getting enough nookie or something Boris? You seem remarkably irritable.

[avappyboalt]

Oh come off it Boris. You were referencing the Christian concept of hell as eternal suffering as punishment for sins so you could fire your shot by saying, "but I'm so much more enlightened". You've been basically arguing that everyone gets into heaven eventually and that hell is only a temporary stop.

Correct?

Interesting idea, but raises the question, why have a hell at all?

I take it you have heard of universial reconciliation, such as articulated by St. Gregory of Nyssa, and, of course, Erasmus. Even the Archbishop of Westminister (Cardinal O'Connor) said universal salvation could be compatible with Catholic teaching. And I believe it is accepted by a good deal of Eastern Orthodox thinkers as well (in their mind, Hell corresponds to Catholic notions of Purgatory).

[BebopVT]

I take it you have heard of universial reconciliation, such as articulated by St. Gregory of Nyssa, and, of course, Erasmus. Even the Archbishop of Westminister (Cardinal O'Connor) said universal salvation could be compatible with Catholic teaching. And I believe it is accepted by a good deal of Eastern Orthodox thinkers as well (in their mind, Hell corresponds to Catholic notions of Purgatory). That's precisely why I made the comment that I did. Universal salvation is contrary to what the Catholic church teaches, regardless of what Cardinal O'Connor says. I anticipated Boris making this argument earlier. Purgatory is only for those who repent of their sins prior to death. You will not be given the opportunity to repent after death.

The Church teachings are closer to 'narrow is the road to salvation, and few enter, wide is the road to destruction and many follow'.