Iran rejects US overtures
 

warned Tuesday that negotiating with IRAN was "naive and perverted" Fixed. Hopefully Obama and the appeasement machine will learn and not be so naive in the future.

And we have even less reasons to trust them.

http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...s/rolleyes.gif rah.

This approach set us up as the reasonable party willing to talk, and let the Iranian regime show everyone they're not interested. Setting aside who has what reasons for distrust, I think that helps us if the goal is to get other nations to join us in sanctioning Iran. That's not a goal I would necessarily pursue, but I think it's one the US government will.

-Arrian

Fixed.

and it's You're, not Your.

But we got them such a nice corsage.

Obvious, Americans (that is, Presidents, Senate, diplomats and CIA) did some big and stupid
wrongs some years ago; and they did a lot of good things,too.
But they, the Americans, are not forced to repeat the mistakes.
And there is still time to fix the things. Most World believes P.Obama is trying to do it.
P.Obama did the right thing showing willingness to speak with Iran. That's the important.
That Iran wants,or not, to speak is another thing and less important.

Hopefully he does but I doubt it. It seems to me that his tenure in the White House has been something of an eye opener for the 'community organizer'. The world isnt the warm and fuzzy place it was a year ago.

Yup. I'm hoping for Reagan II as a follow-up.

I don't think the right is whining, at least I'm not, about the president's stance here. As noted, his options are limited and none are very good. I'm more laughing at all the people when defending him winning the peace prize using his willingness to talk to Iran as one of the reasons he deserved it, like it was going to make a difference. Just clueless.

Well, so far he's been all "talk" with no results.
His honeymoon period seems to have ended and he has nothing to show for it. He essentially wasted it.
I don't think a comparison to Carter is that far of a stretch, and I hope he sees jibes like this from others and works towards not ending up like he did. We deserve better after all the promise of his campaign.

At least we're not calling him a chimp like the dems did to Bush for 8 years.

Given that Carter brokered one of the most important peace agreements in recent history (Israel-Egypt), I'm not sure what your point is.

You say he "wasted" his honeymoon period. What does that even mean? Why do you expect major international agreements to be brokered within a few months after the most internationally toxic American administration, ever, leaves the stage? You can't make fun of the left's messiah complex regarding Obama, and expect miracles at the same time.

If Russia and China sign up then I'll give him credit for a good victory.
And I do agree that being reasonable usually gets better results. (remember that I used to be called the reasonable one http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...ilies/wink.gif )

My problem is all the fawning morons that think it's going to work better than it has or will, and think that Obama invented it. Realistic expectations are in order and news articles like this will hopefully make some people lower their expectations a bit.

I'm not the one expecting miracles, his followers are. I just expect him to do the things he promised to do. His record on those is pretty bad so far, and the honeymoon seems to be over. I'm willing to reserve judgement till he actually does something. I do really like the man even without agreeing him on a lot of issues. Just like Carter. (who's other efforts in the middle east were not successful and I think you give too much credit to the one with Egypt)

Do you deny that some of his followers have a messiah complex regarding Obama.

I'm not the one expecting miracles, his followers are. I just expect him to do the things he promised to do. His record on those is pretty bad so far, and the honeymoon seems to be over.

I still am wondering what agreements you expected Obama to broker over the past several months.

I still am wondering what agreements you expected Obama to broker over the past several months. One would be a start. And I don't count appeasing the Russians over eastern Europe.

One would be a start.

Be specific. What did you expect to see happen, but didn't?

Actually I think those in power benefit most by having the evil Satan out there to rally the people against. So until they feel that have no worry from the masses, there can't be any real progress.

It sounds like you're trying to make a convoluted argument, but I'm not sure what exactly it is. Elaborate.

Why do you think that insisting on preserving Iranian nuclear weapons, after the US offers to facilitate peaceful nuclear power and ease economic sanctions, makes the US look like the boogyman? This is a totally bizarre argument.

What allows the US to be portrayed as a boogyman, BTW, is refusing the meaningfully engage the Iranian state.

No, that's why they need a boggie man now more than ever, since there people are starting to blame the government. DUH. It's better for them to not engage us in any discussion and just sit back and call us the evil satan and blame us for everything.

Rah's saying (and I agree, with some caveats) that Iran's best way to stabilize the regime is to NOT play ball, and force the US into the position of continuing sanctions and putting pressure internationally. That allows the (state-run) press to show the Iranian side of the argument positively ["We just want what we have a right to - self-defense, and nuclear power, like all other great nations"] and the US side negatively ["They're bullying us and trying to destroy the Iranian people"]. They don't have to show the positive US side; and while plenty of people there have access to the internet and can see for themselves... why are you assuming that Iranians are any smarter than Americans? Look at all of the Americans who fall head over heels for government propaganda, and we have a far freer press, and are far more used to questioning the government, than Iranians...

Cutting a deal means they can no longer blame the US for sanctions, and no longer put quotes from Hillary in their paper as examples of an evil woman trying to demonize poor Iran... hence why it's a bad idea for them. Also, why we're making the offer - it does make us look better and them look worse. I just think they don't believe it's enough.

Look how they officially answered.

TEHRAN -- Iran's supreme leader, spurning what he described as several personal overtures from President Obama, warned Tuesday that negotiating with United States was "naive and perverted" and said Iranian politicians should not be "deceived" into starting such talks.

This is promoting continued EVIL SATAN thinking.