[hablyShappY]

I am watching his speech right now, and you know what is the scariest thing? I have this cold chill remembering the Hitler Nazi speeches...he is reminiscence of that. The way he speaks, the way he forces tag lines, this guy is an egocentric to the core.

Asher, do not begin to assume that just because someone is pro life that they have to be for socialized medical coverage. I am not a pro lifer, I personally do not support abortion, BUT it is a persons right to decide what is best for themselves, not a government. I do not support socialized medical coverage because, as Obama said it himself, hard workers are paying for someone they do not know who cannot afford it to be in an ER. I feel bad for Joe Nobody's gallstones, I do, but I am sorry to say that HIS health is not MY responsibility. My health, my wife's health, my son's health, even my cats' healths are my responsibility. I am poor in the sense my paycheck and my COLA and lifestyle no longer coincide, but I do not take hand outs. I joined the military to defend the country, I got medical because...well soldiers are unique individuals and should not have to pay for medical coverage for what they do. I do not believe the government has a responsibility to provide me with medical coverage, because it is my own personal responsibility to stay healthy. *I am at the part of the speech now where he talks about a health care Walmart, a place where people can go for bargain discount priced insurance...what a dumb ass*

There is a mass epidemic of obese Americans that are going to need medical coverage for their obesity cause medical conditions. Now these Americans have all the tools necessary to get their weight down and stay healthy. They are provided 2 feet to walk, 2 arms to lift, healthy food to eat, and a mind that can achieve anything. Now how is it my responsibility to take my hard earned money and give it to that person who refuses to have motivation and take the personal responsibility to get off their lazy ass and exercise? How is it my job to pay for that fat asses medical coverage for a medical condition they caused? It isn't. How is it my job to pay for a genetic condition from someone elses families genetic problems? It is not. How is it anyone elses responsibility to help cover the cost of my son's medical needs? It is not, he is my son and I had him knowing full well it would cost me. It is not my responsibility to take care of everyone else. It is no ones responsibility to take care of anyone else except who they are responsible for, their family. There is a great difference between taking care of your own and taking care of your countrymen. *People are nervous about reform? How about some people just do not agree with his reform! When is this guy going to get off his high horse and realize that HE is NOT the only one with a RIGHT answer! **** how do you loyalist listen to this guy!!!*


Edited to add a face, just for you Asher. Is that intelligent enough for you?

[WGRocky]

Unless you can prove to me that you won't let them treat you if you can't pay, you're nothing better than a leech hiding behind a libertarian principle.

[Pedsshuth]

I thought you lived in China?

Also, there are plenty of jobs for people with marketable skills. Simply no jobs for shiftless layabouts like yourself.

EDIT: finally, the recession is over. Get off your ass and get moving.

[feedcomnet]

Asher, why are you quoting him?

So everyone else can enjoy also.

[drexigordiche]

Asher, do not begin to assume that just because someone is pro life that they have to be for socialized medical coverage.

I am not assuming that. I am demonstrating that it is logically consistent for that to be the case. The problem with you types is you have no logic.

Is that intelligent enough for you? Didn't read it. Paragraphs too large. I assumed by the formatting of your post it was retarded.

[Enliseell]

Did you just take Riesstiu seriously? That's dumber than advocating adult legal rights and responsibilities for teenagers.

[grofvuri]

There are too many trolls on this site, I can't keep straight anymore who is serious and who isn't. I guess it is easy for you to do since they are all your DLs. My apologies.

[economex]

Maybe just pass a law requiring those who skip out on emergency room bills to have their wages garnished?

Hospitals have payment plans. Why is it so destructive to make payments on a prior health care expenditure as opposed to paying into a pool that you may or may not draw from in the future?

I've paid cash for what limited health care I've needed over the last seven years I've been without insurance. And would pay for whatever need I had in the future. I'm not a drain on society.

[sDePrx59]

Maybe just pass a law requiring those who skip out on emergency room bills to have their wages garnished?

What if they don't make much at all? Or declare bankruptcy?


Hospitals have payment plans. Why is it so destructive to make payments on a prior health care expenditure as opposed to paying into a pool that you may or may not draw from in the future?


And what happens when you have a catastrophic car accident that leads to over a million dollars in medical bills? What payment plan then?

Why do you have to pay for Medicare and Social Security? All of the citizenry benefits from these programs, so you have to pay in your fair share.

[Misespimb]

Maybe just pass a law requiring those who skip out on emergency room bills to have their wages garnished?

**** that. Many of the people who visit emergency rooms without insurance are just like you; what hope does the hospital have of recovering its money from Freddie Freeloader?



Hospitals have payment plans. Why is it so destructive to make payments on a prior health care expenditure as opposed to paying into a pool that you may or may not draw from in the future?

Hospital payment plans are a joke. In actuality, people like you have the hospital over a barrel. I'd like to know how exactly you plan to make payments on a 200k trip to the ER after falling down the stairs when you can't even pony up a couple of hundred bucks a month for catastrophic insurance. If you want the right to go without insurance, I want hospitals to have the right to let you die on the street.

I've paid cash for what limited health care I've needed over the last seven years I've been without insurance.

So drunk drivers who don't hit anybody should be allowed to go on their merry way?

And would pay for whatever need I had in the future. I'm not a drain on society.

I have absolutely no reason to believe that you would pay in full if you needed extensive emergency health care. As with most people in your situation, you would probably work out a deal with the hospital to pay a fraction of the full cost, assuaging your conscience while still forcing those of us who take responsibility for ourselves to bail your ass out.

[PWRichard]

So KH, fill me in, is zaku serious or trolling?

Back to the mandate. So ok, this thing passes I am now forced to get health care. I still can't afford it so I go on Medicaid or some other government option. I suspect other low income people like myself do the same. Does this help keep the cost down?

[KitRittyTug]

Back to the mandate. So ok, this thing passes I am now forced to get health care. I still can't afford it so I go on Medicaid or some other government option. I suspect other low income people like myself do the same. Does this help keep the cost down?

How many times do I have to say it? Get a better ****ing job. How old are you, dude? Quit the stupid political advocacy volunteering for a cause that will never succeed and move into the real world where you do things that other people value and pay you for.

[mikeyyuiok]

Nice try.

The plan as put foward doesn't bend the cost curve in the right direction nor are the President's magical claims about the cost saving potential of preventative care born out by the facts.

[VanDerSmok]

Back to the mandate. So ok, this thing passes I am now forced to get health care. I still can't afford it so I go on Medicaid or some other government option. I suspect other low income people like myself do the same. Does this help keep the cost down?

So low income people like yourself are the only young, healthy people who aren't getting health insurance?

[wrenjmerg]

The plan as put foward doesn't bend the cost curve in the right direction nor are the President's magical claims about the cost saving potential of preventative care born out by the facts.

I was talking about repugs. Associating them with facts that are accurate is a loser's bet.

[Assentesy]

I was talking about repugs. Associating them with facts that are accurate is a loser's bet.

Let's be honest here, Tubbs. Obama's nemesis on this issue is the CBO, not the GOP.

[Avoireeideree]

Let me get things clear...forum population belief
If you are republican you are wrong
If you are democrat you are right
If you oppose Obama you are wrong
If you wish his **** was in your mouth your right
Republican facts = lies
Liberal facts = words from god
All republicans are liars, radicals, and wish only the worst on America
All liberals are gods walking amongst men that are the only ones who can fix America
Everything that Obama says is right
Opposition is treason
Opposition is sign of lack of intelligence
Republicans are stupid
Liberals are stellar geniuses

I think I am on the money here...am I wrong, or is this not how you all treat things *by you all I am pointing at people like Asher, KH, Lori, etc.