[Vokbeelllicky]

Do you ever get tired of making threads based on logical falacies?

[Argurnenoni]

IMHO, doctor's motivations are suspect because of their huge financial stake in the outcome. I put more trust in nurses.

In California, one of the major supports of a single-payor plan was the nurses.

[joOEMcheapSOFTWARE]

Nurses get screwed over bigtime here with single-payer.

Lower salaries, longer hours. Most of our grads vote with their feet and go south.

Why change what works? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Canada's healthcare system is woefully underfunded. In California's single-payor system [which Schwartzenegger vetoed], California's per capita rate of spending would have been twice that which is spent on Canadians.

Even with this higher rate of spending, Californians would have still saved $10,000,000,000 the first year. The estimated cost of administering a single-payor system was estimated at 6%, as opposed to the cost of administering a system based on private insurance, which is around 33%. (Medicare and the VA are administered at around 3%.)

And, even as underfunded as Canadian services are, Canadians still live longer than Americans and have a lower infant mortality rate.

The World Health Organization rates health care in the U.S. as being lower than Costa Rica's but better than Cuba's.

The U.S. needs to fix its healthcare system because:
1) It is the most expensive per-capita in the world.
2) Americans have the shortest life spans in the industrialize world.
3) Americans have the highest infant mortality rate in the industrialed world.