Windows 7 to ship without a web browser in Europe - DiscussWorldIssues - Socio-Economic Religion and Political Uncensored Debate

**Peabelilt** · 06-11-2009, 11:19 PM

Like an USB flash drive?

I think it's cool too

**MasdMnPa** · 06-11-2009, 11:25 PM

It should come with Netscape Navigator.

**Fiipolera** · 06-11-2009, 11:30 PM

I'm curious, is the EU going to order Apple to unbundle mobile Safari from the iPhone/iPod Touches? That thing has mobile marketshare comparable to IE's desktop marketshare. Fair is fair.

**JJoon077** · 06-11-2009, 11:33 PM

It would be nice to have a browser come with windows AND be able to remove it.

That's how Windows 7 ships for the rest of the world.

http://www.aeroxp.org/2009/03/ie8-fu...lly-removable/

**Andrius** · 06-11-2009, 11:36 PM

Think of the positive side. You can reduce your IE usage from one instance to zero.

Seriously I'm 50/50 on this.

And I am all for equal discrimination against all American companies

The only European web browser is Opera, and it is terribly awful.

**jq0AFTTC** · 06-11-2009, 11:42 PM

How much space does the removing of IE save? 50MBs?

Far less. As I understand it, the IE engine (Trident) is still installed. Like removing IE from Windows 7, all references to IE have been removed as has the iexplore.exe binary. But as some may know, iexplore.exe is just a shell for the Trident rendering engine which is a Win32 component and will still be there -- otherwise this would break all apps which depended on the web browser component.

Probably saves 2 or 3MB.

**trubreTab** · 06-11-2009, 11:47 PM

*animal husbandry

**benderkoz** · 06-12-2009, 12:20 AM

This is funny. Now the EU will just go after the easy installer, if it also doesn't offer Firefox, etc.

**Laqswrnm** · 06-12-2009, 12:29 AM

This is nice. It saves me the effort of deleting the Explorer shortcut on my desktop

It will require me to copy paste firefox on my portable HD first, but I shall readily sacrifice those extra seconds in order to avoid Explorer

**QHdy5Z3A** · 06-12-2009, 12:49 AM

I'm sure if they used Windows update then Explorer would be an option.

**HoniSoniproca** · 06-12-2009, 01:56 AM

What was the purpose of this?

**irrehoobe** · 06-12-2009, 03:55 AM

Hah , indeed. All the major competitors are essentially free, though you need to buy an OS bundled to IE...

**VioletttaJosetta** · 06-12-2009, 10:43 AM

This is nice. It saves me the effort of deleting the Explorer shortcut on my desktop

It will require me to copy paste firefox on my portable HD first, but I shall readily sacrifice those extra seconds in order to avoid Explorer

+1

**preachadaq** · 06-12-2009, 03:32 PM

Not that I care either way, but can't firefox's basic engine not be shipped on the disk ?

And @ Asher: go blow yourself.

**themsrsdude** · 06-12-2009, 03:58 PM

Choice always existed, Dry. You're deluding yourself.

Shipping every Windows copy with a browser enables the user to choose between ALL browsers.

Shipping Windows without one means users are restricted in their choice to whatever they have available on physical mediums already. Restricts choice!

The excuse that now OEMs can bundle browsers with the OS is naive at best. Have you ever purchased a computer from an OEM? I'm sure you have. Do you know their business model? They sell the apps they bundle to the highest bidder. This does not promote consumer choice. I guarantee you, you're going to start to see "branded" browsers from OEMs and you're also going to see ad-supported browsers from the Euro budget manufacturers.

CHOICE

Re: the last quote there -- the browser is still integrated into the OS (Trident rendering engine). All they've removed is the iexplorer.exe shell for it.

**vioppyskype** · 06-12-2009, 04:11 PM

yes, I am huggable that way. Don't strain your back

**Wrasialat** · 06-12-2009, 04:16 PM

I hate IE, but this is just plain stupid. 99% of all customers will just sit there and wait for a browser to fall down from heaven. I read a comment on another site that "people can just do as I did back in the Win95 days: Use a FTP client and download from there. Sure, a little tinkering, but nothing much." I mean, seriously. Most people don't know what FTP is. Way to go for MS and the EU to destroy a monopoly.

**JasminBerkova** · 06-12-2009, 04:26 PM

You don't need a web browser to get firefox on Vista, you can download it via ftp on the command line.

eg. http://dotnetwizard.net/hacks/downlo...-touching-ie7/

They aren't taking that out of Windows 7 AFAIK.

Maybe Canadians just aren't technologically aware enough to know how to do that.

**SQiTmhuY** · 06-12-2009, 04:50 PM

you think ftp is complex?

**Feloascarlelt** · 06-12-2009, 04:54 PM

you think ftp is complex?

The most simple of tasks are complex for Europeans. FTP would be too complex for most of them.

06-11-2009, 11:19 PM	#1
Peabelilt Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 408 Senior Member	Windows 7 to ship without a web browser in Europe Like an USB flash drive? I think it's cool too Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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MasdMnPa Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 425 Senior Member	It should come with Netscape Navigator. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Fiipolera Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 429 Senior Member	I'm curious, is the EU going to order Apple to unbundle mobile Safari from the iPhone/iPod Touches? That thing has mobile marketshare comparable to IE's desktop marketshare. Fair is fair. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-11-2009, 11:33 PM	#4
JJoon077 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 484 Senior Member	It would be nice to have a browser come with windows AND be able to remove it. That's how Windows 7 ships for the rest of the world. http://www.aeroxp.org/2009/03/ie8-fu...lly-removable/ Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-11-2009, 11:36 PM	#5
Andrius Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 430 Senior Member	Think of the positive side. You can reduce your IE usage from one instance to zero. Seriously I'm 50/50 on this. And I am all for equal discrimination against all American companies The only European web browser is Opera, and it is terribly awful. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-11-2009, 11:42 PM	#6
jq0AFTTC Join Date Dec 2005 Posts 380 Senior Member	How much space does the removing of IE save? 50MBs? Far less. As I understand it, the IE engine (Trident) is still installed. Like removing IE from Windows 7, all references to IE have been removed as has the iexplore.exe binary. But as some may know, iexplore.exe is just a shell for the Trident rendering engine which is a Win32 component and will still be there -- otherwise this would break all apps which depended on the web browser component. Probably saves 2 or 3MB. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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trubreTab Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 520 Senior Member	*animal husbandry Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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benderkoz Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 515 Senior Member	This is funny. Now the EU will just go after the easy installer, if it also doesn't offer Firefox, etc. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-12-2009, 12:29 AM	#9
Laqswrnm Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 498 Senior Member	This is nice. It saves me the effort of deleting the Explorer shortcut on my desktop It will require me to copy paste firefox on my portable HD first, but I shall readily sacrifice those extra seconds in order to avoid Explorer Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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QHdy5Z3A Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 393 Senior Member	I'm sure if they used Windows update then Explorer would be an option. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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HoniSoniproca Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 417 Senior Member	What was the purpose of this? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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irrehoobe Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 499 Senior Member	Hah , indeed. All the major competitors are essentially free, though you need to buy an OS bundled to IE... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-12-2009, 10:43 AM	#13
VioletttaJosetta Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 347 Senior Member	This is nice. It saves me the effort of deleting the Explorer shortcut on my desktop It will require me to copy paste firefox on my portable HD first, but I shall readily sacrifice those extra seconds in order to avoid Explorer +1 Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-12-2009, 03:32 PM	#14
preachadaq Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 413 Senior Member	Not that I care either way, but can't firefox's basic engine not be shipped on the disk ? And @ Asher: go blow yourself. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-12-2009, 03:58 PM	#15
themsrsdude Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 477 Senior Member	Choice always existed, Dry. You're deluding yourself. Shipping every Windows copy with a browser enables the user to choose between ALL browsers. Shipping Windows without one means users are restricted in their choice to whatever they have available on physical mediums already. Restricts choice! The excuse that now OEMs can bundle browsers with the OS is naive at best. Have you ever purchased a computer from an OEM? I'm sure you have. Do you know their business model? They sell the apps they bundle to the highest bidder. This does not promote consumer choice. I guarantee you, you're going to start to see "branded" browsers from OEMs and you're also going to see ad-supported browsers from the Euro budget manufacturers. CHOICE Re: the last quote there -- the browser is still integrated into the OS (Trident rendering engine). All they've removed is the iexplorer.exe shell for it. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Wrasialat Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 392 Senior Member	I hate IE, but this is just plain stupid. 99% of all customers will just sit there and wait for a browser to fall down from heaven. I read a comment on another site that "people can just do as I did back in the Win95 days: Use a FTP client and download from there. Sure, a little tinkering, but nothing much." I mean, seriously. Most people don't know what FTP is. Way to go for MS and the EU to destroy a monopoly. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-12-2009, 04:26 PM	#18
JasminBerkova Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 529 Senior Member	You don't need a web browser to get firefox on Vista, you can download it via ftp on the command line. eg. http://dotnetwizard.net/hacks/downlo...-touching-ie7/ They aren't taking that out of Windows 7 AFAIK. Maybe Canadians just aren't technologically aware enough to know how to do that. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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SQiTmhuY Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 500 Senior Member	you think ftp is complex? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Feloascarlelt Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 468 Senior Member	you think ftp is complex? The most simple of tasks are complex for Europeans. FTP would be too complex for most of them. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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