[Mimsykzr]

Yay, people proving that they are uncivilized idiots.

[tussinelde]

Yay, people proving that they are uncivilized idiots.

I agree with you; the oppressors of Tibetans are uncivilized idiots.

[timgreyuvcz]

Xinjiang

[Tusanoc]

Xinjiang

I was thinking Iraq and Afghanistan, but if Xinjiang is more your style, go for it.

[Bigroza]

Dum dum shoes. Ones that have crocodile mouths in the fronts.

[sykanaxer]

we need more people throwing shoes at politicians.

qft!

[DfrtYhyu]

Fluffy bunny slippers

Death bunny slippers? (The ones that need a holy hand grenade to kill...)

[AssinHT]

And the best way to get them to change their ways, is to act like an uncivilized idiot as well, so that they see how stupid they are being and promise to act better...

You're seeing the light!

[TSVIDeo]

BBC article on the Chinese response, which is indignant: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7866636.stm

This is interesting, it shows that the Chinese were fairly amused when it happened to somebody else, but went all-out batguano crazy when it happened to them.

Maybe there's hope for a US-China rapprochement yet. The two sides appear to be pretty similar in many ways.

[Seasmillets]

Just put the shoes on that list, problem gone

[pepBarihepe]

Just put the shoes on that list, problem gone

Yeah, you don't get these problems in a mosque. How civilised.

[NodePark]

Welcome to the big leagues China. You'll need thicker skin if you want to survive.

[DoctorTOneery]

It's a bit of a stretch to call the two equivalent.

I agree with you and I wouldn't call them equivalent. I think the events are similar from a purely qualitative viewpoint, but as you rightly point out, the US gov't has made reparations and its conduct has largely healed the wounds.

My point is more that all governments stumble on the path towards justice. China's missteps in its handling of the 1989 incident is something to draw comment and criticism. But the most effective criticism is that which comes from the angle of: "we've made similar errors and found a better way of dealing with it - here's our findings".

The Chinese government has played the nationalism card in its arguments to draw attention away from its own shortcomings. A more engagement-based discussion tends to work better than a more condemnatory tone, because it does blunt the nationalism card.


I think your characterization of Tiananmen vs. Kent State is pretty accurate.

[Fainnamoony]

So you're saying we should draw parallels between KS and TS during diplomatic talks with China, is that right? Are you sure that wouldn't come across as patronizing?

[Byxtysaaqwuz]

One thing I am certain about is that China's government right now is trying out various statutory measures (and borrowing fairly openly from civil code countries, especially France and Germany, as I understand it) to come up with a functional legal and legislative system.

Even the regional governments along the coast are taking inspiration from many more market-oriented nations to improve their systems, although there is still a massive problem with region-vs-region rent seeking behavior.

The Chinese gov't is not a monolithic bugbear. It's an institution that is trying very hard to reform itself so that its economy will continue to grow. It's an institution that also is politically interested in self-preservation. That will clash with its economic liberalization. But these are problems that all western governments have faced, and have survived, with different methods.

The last time China turned its back on the world was a loss for them and for the outside world both. I don't advocate unilateral concessions to reward inefficient government, but I don't subscribe to a unilateral opposition to them either, given their quiet but earnest attempts to modernize.

[Teeppoodiug]

At first, I thought I'd have to call goal tending, but on reviewing the video, it's clear that the dildo was on an ascending arc when batted down.

[ThomasMannfanny]

:shrug: I've been called far worse.

...

[notices C0ckney's location text]

Wait, is that in response to my old animated avatar?

[Thifiadardivy]

Oh, a while back I had an animated picture of a cartoon female from the Nintendo DS game Phoenix Wright. Her lips had been animated (amateurishly) to say three words beginning with "touch" and "my".

Your location text had changed at about the same time so I wondered if they were related. Probably not, given your explanation.

[AngelinaLip]

I'm not even sure China has a Top 40 for the songs to be on, if there were any...