[Senasivar]

BK, for making idiotic "arguments," you should be satisfied with having gotten a serious response from Boris.

He pwned you - again - but take it as a learning experience.

[ggiifdfalls]

Wow, the swarm is out in force.

3 people have posted and none of them have actually rebutted a point that I actually made.

I see how you 'win' an argument.

[bs44MhUW]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi

Oh I'll get married as soon as I can. Why should I fight for a nation that has no respect for my ideals? If Canada and the US want to destroy themselves, they can go right ahead and do so. I don't have to lift a finger to hold back the tide. How will granting gays and lesbians the civil right to marry destroy marriage for straight people?? Or a nation for that matter!?

[Vznvtthq]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Boris,

So men are absolutely interchangeable with women? When it comes to the government recognition of their rights, absolutely. Our Constitution made only one distinction between males and females, which was voting rights, and that was stripped away a long, long time ago.

Wow, you completely missed the point of my post. All I am saying is that men and women are fundamentally different from each other. No, I got your point. But your "trying to square a circle" comment is a direct jab at same-sex relations, as you said it "doesn't work." I can assure you, it does.

The state has an interest in self-preservation. Promoting suicidal ideologies doesn't really help in those goals. I don't see why the state would want to encourage them at the expense of their own survival. Yes, liberties are important, but it's pretty pointless to argue about your natural rights to a society that rejects the concept of natural rights altogether. There's no evidence allowing gay marriage is "suicidal." This is you once again asserting something without a shred of evidence. So the entire basis for your argument is complete bunk.

Heterosexual marriage rates haven't changed in societies that have allowed gay marriage. No studies have offered any evidence that allowing gay marriage impacts hetero marriage whatsoever.

Your entire argument hinges on the stupid idea that allowing gay marriages will somehow end heterosexual marriages, which is simply not the case.

Oh I'll get married as soon as I can. Why should I fight for a nation that has no respect for my ideals? If Canada and the US want to destroy themselves, they can go right ahead and do so. I don't have to lift a finger to hold back the tide. First you'd have to find some poor girl to put up with you.

So you prove my case--allowing gay marriage won't stop "heterosexuals" like you from wanting to get married.

Check your PMs, btw.

EDIT: Ah you got it already, good.

[boiffrona]

No, he just sent me Asher's nude pics.

I can do without that Boris, but thanks.

[golozhopik]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
No, he just sent me Asher's nude pics.

I can do without that Boris, but thanks. I'm sorry, I forgot you already had thousands of pictures of naked men. My bad.

[Rabbahpuptiopp]

He's not the only one.

I've only made one porno, but it became an instant classic in the gay scene. A celebrity in your midst all this time, and you had no idea...

[masteryxisman]

When it comes to the government recognition of their rights, absolutely. Our Constitution made only one distinction between males and females, which was voting rights, and that was stripped away a long, long time ago. That doesn't answer my question, Boris. Are men and women interchangeable? It's a simple yes or no. Just because men are different from women doesn't mean that they have fewer rights then women.

No, I got your point. But your "trying to square a circle" comment is a direct jab at same-sex relations, as you said it "doesn't work." I can assure you, it does. I'm glad you managed to absorb the thrust of my argument unlike your companions.

There's no evidence allowing gay marriage is "suicidal." It's a rather simple argument. Societies are sustained by encouraging men and women to get married and have children, and raise them until they can repeat the cycle. Gay marriage does nothing to help things. Given the fact that the west is already having trouble, it is suicidal. Where are the kids going to come from Boris? Surely you can't see and agree with me that the west is dying, slowly but surely.

Heterosexual marriage rates haven't changed in societies that have allowed gay marriage. No studies have offered any evidence that allowing gay marriage impacts hetero marriage whatsoever. Wait 20 years. Just because the rates haven't changed yet isn't an argument that they will not have an effect in the future. I would argue that in societies which have endorsed gay marriage, that it will be the most significant effect. Up here in Canada, there really is no point to gay marriage, because the only ones who get married now are tourists from abroad. I hardly think that was the purpose of the legislation to export gay marriage around the world.

Your entire argument hinges on the stupid idea that allowing gay marriages will somehow end heterosexual marriages, which is simply not the case. I never said that. All I said is that it weakens society and makes it more likely that you won't have these privileges in the future.

First you'd have to find some poor girl to put up with you. True, but I would love to get married soon. Tired of being on my own. Want to have a family of my own.

[Yarmark]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Heterosexual marriage rates haven't changed in societies that have allowed gay marriage. No studies have offered any evidence that allowing gay marriage impacts hetero marriage whatsoever.

Your entire argument hinges on the stupid idea that allowing gay marriages will somehow end heterosexual marriages, which is simply not the case.

I'm not gay or anything, not prejudiced by any way whatsoever, but I'd like to concur on that. 'Traditional' people claim 'values' will be lost when gay people will be lost. But seriously, those 'values' are all very recent if you care to take a detailed look, and are constantly changing anyway. Gays can marry in our country, and really. Really. Reaaaally: straight couples don't wed any less. They still marry for the very same reasons the people 100 years ago did.

It's all about giving other people more rights. In fact: gays win, but straight people don't lose. To be more specific without the media attention nobody really gives a flying **** about gay or lesbian couples engaging in marriage around here.

Although the respective families might still find it awkward mind you... it's still a bit of a taboo in a way.

[BWJfEkOB]

Originally posted by Asher

I've only made one porno, So how much $$$ did you get. So at least we know what price range we're looking at. I'm not going through the whole gay porn gallery aye

[lopesmili]

Since BK has zero experience of both sex and marriage, I'm not sure why I'm bothering with him anyway. Except that sometimes we all need a good punching bag.

[Gideleb]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


It's a rather simple argument. Societies are sustained by encouraging men and women to get married and have children, and raise them until they can repeat the cycle. Gay marriage does nothing to help things. Given the fact that the west is already having trouble, it is suicidal. Where are the kids going to come from Boris? Surely you can't see and agree with me that the west is dying, slowly but surely. How would granting civil right to marry to gays and lesbians stop the straight population from reproducing when gays and lesbians only make up around ten percent of the population??

[Trercakaressy]

I'm not gay or anything, not prejudiced by any way whatsoever, but I'd like to concur on that. 'Traditional' people claim 'values' will be lost when gay people will be lost. But seriously, those 'values' are all very recent if you care to take a detailed look, and are constantly changing anyway. Marriage is a new concept? The thing about values is that they are transcendent in that they apply to everyone across all cultures.

Marriage is a very old concept, and I'm not sure why you say it is 'constantly changing' when the truth is that it doesn't change very much at all.

You don't see a problem with a radical change that means throwing out over 2000 years of tradition for a benefit that is dubious at best?

Gays can marry in our country, and really. Really. Reaaaally: straight couples don't wed any less. They still marry for the very same reasons the people 100 years ago did. Again, it's not going to change the world immediately. Try 20 years from now, and see whether you are seeing the same thing.

It's all about giving other people more rights. So if we gave everybody the right to parade naked, that would be a good thing? How about to drive drunk or to do narcotics?

In fact: gays win, but straight people don't lose. All rights come with responsibility. Rights aren't free. That the state is providing benefits to gay marriage is taking from the state, and weakening the benefits associated with marriage.

If every relationship is recognised as marriage, then none will be.

[topbonusescod]

I see you avoiding my points. I take it you admit they are right?
Here you go, I'll quote them again for you.

a truly logical person would see that:
1) Kids cost money. A lot of money.
2) Gay couples make a tremendous amount of money with very little expenses compare to a heterosexual family
3) Gay people know what the other partner wants

Logically, out of pure self-interesting, being gay is the way to be.

It is anything but logical to commit yourself to a PMSy, bloody woman with irrational actions and emotionally needy *****iness. It is anything but logical to create little beings that suck your funds dry while waking you up in the middle of the night.
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Plenty of reasons.

1. Men and women aren't the same and pretending that they are interchangeable parts hurts both men and women. Trying to square a circle just doesn't work.

God wouldn't have put the prostate where it is if he didn't intend for something to enter and stimulate it.



Not only does it work, but it is fantastic. Discuss. Or I'll rupture your prostate and wait 20 years and see how it affects the fabric of society.

[ppaelkos]

BK never fails to live down to his reputation.

[Darlmtgq]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
1. You are assuming that what you do has no effect on anybody else. You are assuming that what two gays marrying do effects everybody else.

2. You are assuming that there is a fixed category of 'straight' and 'gay' and we both know that's bullshit. Exhibit A, Asher. You are assuming there is a continuum of sexuality. Exhibit A, Ben Kenobi.

3. If you are providing benefits for marriage alternatives then more people will take advantage of these benefits and not other ones. So you are saying sexuality is a choice. You would be tempted to marry a man once it becomes a legal option, rather than a woman?

4. It's not just about the right to marry, it's about affirmation. Yes, this is actually true. This is why it's more important than you realize. Homosexuals are not second-class citizens and deserve not to be treated as such. They are human beings -- equals under the eyes of your God and under the law -- and deserve to be treated as such.

5. You will take away the right of Priests to perform marriages because they refuse to do gay marriage. You will persecute anyone who says to the contrary, quotes the bible, etc. Bullshit from right field. Where the **** do you pull this?


6. You will insist on K-12 sex education to ensure that there is no heteronormativity, ie, everyone has to see gay = straight. In terms of rights, yes.
In terms of worth as a human being, yes.
In terms of people, yes.

gay = straight. The fact that you are implicitly denying this, that heterosexuals are on some plane above homosexuals, is to exemplify your patent bigotry.

How would you like it if I mocked your hearing disability? Why should we teach people that you have the same rights, privileges, and worth as a human being as everyone else when you are "defective"? Isn't that line of reasoning fun.

The problem is there is a reason those traditions are there in the first place. Quiz: is this bigot referring to segregation or denying gays rights? You can't tell because it's the same ****ing argument.

A bigot is a bigot, and you are a ****ing massive bigot.

[Hammaduersnes]

That's nice.

I'm going to bed now. I will have to wait until tomorrow to see what bullsh*t BK will have in response to my last post.