[courlerwele]

If you are one of those people who think that the new particle accelerator from CERN, most know it by the ATLAS detector will create miniature black holes, than you don't have to wait so long to either get your right or you going to be proved wrong!

The countdown for the first LHC beam is, at this moment, 19 days !

I'm also reminding Neeyik about this and I think a thread about this happening is a good reminder.


My personal knowledge may be shallow compared to scientists and people who have studied for this, but I am pretty excited and thrilled about it.

Largest particle accelerator and the impressive ATLAS detector. Will it give us what we are looking for and any answers? And how much more questions do we get back?


http://public.web.cern.ch/Public/Welcome.html
and
http://atlasexperiment.org

[Lhiistyssdds]

The end of the world is nigh!


Lol... will be interesting to see the data kicked back by primordial black holes

[pouslytut]

The end of the world is nigh!


Lol... will be interesting to see the data kicked back by primordial black holes

The internet is probably gonna hit a major slowdown. Aren't they using optic fibre connections to communicate to other countries and send/receive data for the experiment?

[Lhiistyssdds]

The internet is probably gonna hit a major slowdown. Aren't they using optic fibre connections to communicate to other countries and send/receive data for the experiment?

Quite the opposite... their new network, which is firing up simultaneously with the project is a seperate network, or an add-on to the internet (if it's accessible from external sources, which is should be)... it wouldn't slow the net down at all. If anything, university high-data transfers will shift over to the new network & illeviate load on the usual internet.

But then it all depends on the routing your requests take... it's quite long-winded to explain in full.

[poRmawayncmop]

it will create a giant ring piece in the fabric of the universe and well all disappear up it

[xgnuwdd]

Not that I think it will create big enough black holes to swallow us whole, but if it does, DAMN what a way to go!! [thumbup][thumbup]

Interesting coincidence I am actually wearing my CERN T-Shirt.

[Creva4k]

I am very excited for advancement, hopefully this will put more technology to the space exploration, ect. It would be greatto find other planets and beings.


I am not very excited about humans running them, whose to say that its not an earth destroyer if they accidentally give it to much juice.
It could be a terrorist center point, a military attack location, or just a lone routine worker that gets cheated on by his wife, and just has a bad day.

[irrehoobe]

I am very excited for advancement, hopefully this will put more technology to the space exploration, ect. It would be greatto find other planets and beings.


I am not very excited about humans running them, whose to say that its not an earth destroyer if they accidentally give it to much juice.
It could be a terrorist center point, a military attack location, or just a lone routine worker that gets cheated on by his wife, and just has a bad day.

Chances are 30 seconds after they decide to end the world, you arnt really going to be caring much, eh ?

[Zwnkkvle]

what if it doesn't work or nothing happens'?

btw, I live very close to the CERN in Geneva so lets hope for no negative effects..

[Dvjkefdw]

The countdown for the first LHC beam is, at this moment, 19 days

Actual test collisions, the ones purpoted to have the possibility of generating microscopic black holes, at the kind of energy levels the LHC is supposed to peak at are months away though, and that's assuming all of the preliminary work goes as expected.

what if it doesn't work or nothing happens'?

The testing will simply carry on.

[Zwnkkvle]

What I wonder though... If the experiment does work and it does create a "mini big bang", that still wouldn't explain how the real big bang just came out of nothing.. We're building a huge machine that would simulate such a thing, but without it we wouldn't be able to create it..... Next to that, will the mini big bang create a universe that evolves?

I'm sure some people will say that in the beginning there already was something, but I'm very sceptical..

This experiment is VERY interesting though and I'm looking forward to seeing the results (which will take months I read). I'm not expecting too much though. The whole machine is based on a theory so lets hope for the creators they didn't mess up..

It feels a bit like the TV show "Eureka"..

[Dvjkefdw]

It's not meant to generate a mini Big Bang - the LHC is 'just' a proton/antiproton accelerator that's replaced the previous electron/positron accelerator, the LEP. Other than the particles used, the only significant difference is the energy levels the particles will reach prior to the streams being collided. The LEP maxed out at around 200GeV whereas the LHC is expected to kick off at around 15TeV (75 times more energetic) - at those levels, new particles are expected to be discovered such as the Higgs boson or perhaps even magnetic monopoles.

However, all of this is well short of making a mini Big Bang; 15TeV is still a factor of 100 times less energetic than the proposed time after the Big Bang where the fundamental forces started to separate. But that's the LHC's target: to probe the theorised energy levels of that time, to try and understand if a grand unified theory of the fundamental forces exists and what it might be like.

The whole machine is based on a theory so lets hope for the creators they didn't mess up.. Cars, PCs, kettles and pens are all based on theory too and they work . Seriously though, the new LHC is essentially just a bigger/better version of what they had before (the LEP), so it's not as if the theory is untested.

[duribass]

I think they should put an atomic research scientist inside the LHC to test one of my theories.



All in the name of science, of course.

[Lhiistyssdds]

Not that I think it will create big enough black holes to swallow us whole, but if it does, DAMN what a way to go!! [thumbup][thumbup]

Interesting coincidence I am actually wearing my CERN T-Shirt.

You're right, it won't.

"Primordial" black holes are ~ 10^(-24)m in diameter & last for ~ 10^(-17)s

Part of the aim of this experiment is to take us closer to the big bang

[usaguedriedax]

what if it doesn't work or nothing happens'?

btw, I live very close to the CERN in Geneva so lets hope for no negative effects..

If it doesn't work as expected, that's also usefulinformation that would lead to new theories and experiments.
As you live near it, perhaps you'll set an alarm for a few minutes before so you don't miss anything.

[Zwnkkvle]

It's not meant to generate a mini Big Bang - the LHC is 'just' a proton/antiproton accelerator that's replaced the previous electron/positron accelerator, the LEP. Other than the particles used, the only significant difference is the energy levels the particles will reach prior to the streams being collided. The LEP maxed out at around 200GeV whereas the LHC is expected to kick off at around 15TeV (75 times more energetic) - at those levels, new particles are expected to be discovered such as the Higgs boson or perhaps even magnetic monopoles.

However, all of this is well short of making a mini Big Bang; 15TeV is still a factor of 100 times less energetic than the proposed time after the Big Bang where the fundamental forces started to separate. But that's the LHC's target: to probe the theorised energy levels of that time, to try and understand if a grand unified theory of the fundamental forces exists and what it might be like.


Cars, PCs, kettles and pens are all based on theory too and they work . Seriously though, the new LHC is essentially just a bigger/better version of what they had before (the LEP), so it's not as if the theory is untested.

seems like you know what you're talking about... I have no clue in this area, but the website that was posted made it sounds like this machine is gonna solve the mysteries to the universe lol

[Poowssnople]

I predict the machine is going to re-create the big bang, and inside the machine we'll have a tiny universe with planets and stuff. I'll be their God. If they displease me I'll smash one of their planets in anger.

It'll be interesting to see what we discover with this thing. As with everything I'm sure we'll have a few answers and even more new questions.

[Dvjkefdw]

seems like you know what you're talking about... I have no clue in this area, but the website that was posted made it sounds like this machine is gonna solve the mysteries to the universe lol

Well sure - you don't want to be spending billions of euros of taxpayers' money and tell them that the whole thing is to find a bunch of particles that don't exist in normal, everyday life and won't make any difference to their lives .

[mosypeSom]

Someone give Gordon Freeman a call, we might need him on standby.

[bahrains27]

The thing that makes me think is what if this theorieical black hole dont vanish in a milisecond and sinks to the center of the earth and ...well who knows ? When new matter
is created which is part of their goal who knows what can happen. A scientist that was part of the first Nuke test in the US later admited that the government didnt know for sure that the reaction was going to stop within ground zero peramiters. Lets hope these guys are smarter than that.

Where is Gordon nowadays ?