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Originally posted by Provost Harrison
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[jokilewqs]

Are they saying their relationship is worthless without marriage?

[nancywind]

Originally posted by Snotty
freedom and equality not an issue

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[Xzmwskxn]

BK, so did interracial couples who fought for equal marriage protection in 1950s think their relationships were worthless otherwise?

The answer is obvious -- of course they didn't.

[Hankie]

BK, so did interracial couples who fought for equal marriage protection in 1950s think their relationships were worthless otherwise? You first, I asked a question.

You are a Christian, and a protestant so you must have more biblical knowledge then I do.

Where in the bible does it say that miscegenation is a bad thing?

The answer is obvious -- of course they didn't. What about these women here? Is their relationship worthless without marriage? Yes or no?

[realfan87]

But they have waited for the last 50 years....?

[unsamiSlini]

Are you on drugs...?

[ulw7A8Po]

I see Ben's point, strangely enough.

It's the old argument of why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free. They've been getting their milk for 50 years, so what's the big deal of getting married? If they aren't willing to respect one biblical verse, why fight to get married when marriage itself is linked to biblical ideas.

But then again, I very much understand the idea of marriage as a secular entity, and wish for it myself one day

[wiweimeli]

Misleading title.

Everyone knows that if they truly believed in the sanctity of marriage, they'd continue to deny themselves the right to it.

[duribass]

Thanks Ninot.

[phpfoxmods]

I was just watching this. They were doing ok untill they said that god hates catholics. i'm no catholic but she shouldn't throw all people in the same stairs. and i'm sure that the holy scriptures never said anything about catholics. they didn't even exist!

[gusunsuth]

Originally posted by Ninot
I see Ben's point, strangely enough.

It's the old argument of why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free. They've been getting their milk for 50 years, so what's the big deal of getting married? If they aren't willing to respect one biblical verse, why fight to get married when marriage itself is linked to biblical ideas.

But then again, I very much understand the idea of marriage as a secular entity, and wish for it myself one day Marriage is a civil institution, which is why it is the State that validates marriages, not churches. Many issues, such as taxes, estate policy, health insurance issues, are all affected by marriage. What about the right espouses have regarding each other and their communications when it comes to criminal court?

[TypeTeasiaDer]

Marriage was around before it was linked to biblical ideas. Including the sanctity of marriage?

[Glamyclitlemi]

marriage is not just a religious ceremony. It was part of creating bonds between members of society, as well as trying to regulate sexual relations within the group, and the issues of responsibilities for child rearing.

[Agitoligflise]

Originally posted by falcon41
Isn't it ironic though, that a religious practise is adopted fully by the state? I don't know how ironic it is, actually.

Seeing as a religious practice was adopted by religious states, and you'd sorta expect that to happen, so. And a lot of secular states are descendants of the religious ones.

[QHdy5Z3A]

You are dense, aren't you?

I replied to falcon41, explaining how the concept of marriage is not inherently religious in nature, which also undemrines you assenine assertions on the topic.

Marriage is a tool to regulate interpersonal relations within society, whether that society is religious or secular.

[sniskelsowwef]

Originally posted by Ninot
I see Ben's point, strangely enough.

It's the old argument of why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free. They've been getting their milk for 50 years, so what's the big deal of getting married? If they aren't willing to respect one biblical verse, why fight to get married when marriage itself is linked to biblical ideas.

But then again, I very much understand the idea of marriage as a secular entity, and wish for it myself one day There are hundreds of rights and privileges that automatically go with legally-recognized marriage. Gay and lesbian partners in United States have long been denied these rights and privileges.

The Bible has nothing to do with civil marriage law. In fact, granting gays and lesbians equal marriage protection under federal law will not force synagoues, churches, and mosques to marry gay and lesbian couples. They will be able to get civil marriages.

As to Benny's point about the "sanctity of marriage." Maybe I have chosen the word for part of my thread's title, but I believe that expanding the right of marriage to gays and lesbians will not destroy the sanctity of marriage, even in religious terms. There are religious leaders/individuals in different denominations who are able to reconcile religious values with accepting the idea that gays and lesbians are equally entitled to marriage recognition - those religious individuals do not necessarily see that as destruction of the "sanctity of marriage."

As to the question of whether or not this lesbian couple, other lesbian couples, and gay couples see their relationship as being worthless without equal marriage protection. No, I do not believe any of them see their relationships as being worthless. They have strong, sentimental attachment to their partner in their relationship over the years of commitment in the face of adversity and discrimination.

I cannot believe I had to seriously answer this question - Benny's question was a mockery of the feelings of lesbian and gay couples who have remained committed to their partner over the long-term in spite of the obstacles that had been imposed upon them. Just because they are fighting for equal marriage protection, does not mean they believe their relationship is worthless in the meantime. Just as interracial couples in 1950s did not believe their relationships were worthless as they fought for equal marriage protection.

[Lhiistyssdds]

MrFun, your opinion is ridiculous and doesn't hold up to any kind of actual critical thought. You accuse Ben Kenobi of mocking the "feelings of lesbian and gay couples" who are "committed" to their "partners", this is of course a ridiculous charge, since homosexuals are incapable of understanding or having such complicated emotions like love. Such intense feelings are the exclusive domain of a Husband and Wife. The same mental disorder that causes a person to believe that s/he is a homosexual robs that person of the ability to have such feelings. I am sure I am joined by Ben Kenobi and many others in praying for your recovery from the "Gay Disease", and eagerly await the day you will return to the path of the Righteous.

[everlastinge]

Originally posted by Verto
MrFun, your opinion is ridiculous and doesn't hold up to any kind of actual critical thought. You accuse Ben Kenobi of mocking the "feelings of lesbian and gay couples" who are "committed" to their "partners", this is of course a ridiculous charge, since homosexuals are incapable of understanding or having such complicated emotions like love. Such intense feelings are the exclusive domain of a Husband and Wife. The same mental disorder that causes a person to believe that s/he is a homosexual robs that person of the ability to have such feelings. I am sure I am joined by Ben Kenobi and many others in praying for your recovery from the "Gay Disease", and eagerly await the day you will return to the path of the Righteous. Show me the right way, sir, to repent.