[GrolmangHat27]

But an inferior source.

[unishisse]

What insulting (to one's intelligence, if nothing else) drivel.

If anything, it provides some context for the rantings of Mr. Wright.

-Arrian

[Nmoitmzr]

Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the '60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream. These programs were NOT designed to help African Americans. They were designed to help poor folks. Far more whites (including me) were helped by these programs than blacks.

Buchanan bigotted assumption that whites are well off while blacks are poor is showing through.

[MortgFinsJohnQ]

Pat is right about one thing. 'White' America does need to be heard. W/o a 2-way dialogue we'll never be rid of dunder-headed opinions such as his. Whites and blacks (and those other irrelevant minorities ) need to understand each other's grievances. Instantly dismissing a comment as 'rascist' doesn't help either party.

[Talicoabilk]

I'm a filipino, I'm not involved. It's nice in the Philippines, everyone is the same race, well except myself and a few other expats. There are no race problems. That said, it's really hard to find ethnic food.

[kylsq0Ln]

Originally posted by rah
I dissagree. As long as certain groups are going to play the "i'm black" card, i think it's fair that "i'm white" can be used in the arguement. If I stop hearing I'm black, I'll stop saying I'm white. I do agree that the latter would be much prefered, but it take both sides to agree to stop using it as a diferentiation. And you'll just continue on that way forever since no one is willing to actually take the first step.

Lowest common denominator.

[sasaderesada]

Originally posted by rah
I don't do it first. I just get tired of having it thrown in my face so often. And if I even think of answering back I'm white and should be heard, I'm a racist. That's crap, just like your response. It's a racist statement. All you need to do is say, "I should be heard". Throwing "white" (or any race) in there is unnecessary.

Everyone deserves to have their say. Pretending like race matters in who gets to say what is racist.

I've stopped doing it first. Get them to take the first step but don't blame me if they won't. Both sided need to cooperate. I really believe one side is already trying. You say you don't start it, but you're obviously still thinking in those terms. "Your" side is trying... "they" are starting it.

Break the cycle. You can't do it for everyone, but you sure as hell can do it for yourself. Enough people do that, and it stops. Feeding back into the cycle will not help.

[AngelinaTheElf]

BS, every single white person could stop saying something and I doubt it would make a difference. Everyone is responsible for their own actions. (and actually I don't normally make that differenciation but think it's unfair that if I do, I would be considered a racist by people that think it's ok for them to say it.)

All my grandparents were immigrants and were discriminated against because they spoke differently and looked different. They were poor but worked hard to make a better life for the children. But they became americans first and most important. Sure the celebrated their ancestry but being american was more important. I don't hold it against all the others that did the discrimination because they're all (or mostly) dead.
And because of it, I'm an american first who takes personal responsibility for my own condition.

Now granted it was easier for our later generations to acclimate because outwardly we appeared more similar, but the principle is the same. We're americans and no one should claim special/american status.

I have a lot of respect for Bill Cosby for standing up and taking abuse for saying basically the same thing.

[spacecrafty]

Rah is a monster.

[Oxzzlvpg]

I've worked for an education. Worked hard all my life. I never asked for a hand out.
And have stayed around to raise every child that I have fathered, Making sure there was a safe and loving envioronment.
Yeah, quite a monster. But at least I'm an American.

[maxfreemann]

Originally posted by rah
I've worked for an education. Worked hard all my life. I never asked for a hand out.
And have stayed around to raise every child that I have fathered, Making sure there was a safe and loving envioronment.
Yeah, quite a monster. But at least I'm an American. You're an American that needs a day off.

[Cgnebksb]

Originally posted by rah
BS, every single white person could stop saying something and I doubt it would make a difference. You're not listening. I said people don't need to bring their race into it when they address these issues. You're trying to pretend I'm saying that specific groups shouldn't say anything at all, when I've clearly stated otherwise.

[Hmntezmb]

Originally posted by rah
(and actually I don't normally make that differenciation but think it's unfair that if I do, I would be considered a racist by people that think it's ok for them to say it.) You need to unplug your ears. I'm saying it's not ok for anyone to pretend that their race makes a difference in this regard.

[Enrivaanonock]

Originally posted by Barnabas
What is the meaning of "Section 8 housing" ? Section 8 is federally subsidized housing.

[Eh085zE7]

Originally posted by rah
Then go annoy the people that do it almost every day. If they try to disagree with me on poly, sure thing dood.

[quack!]

Originally posted by Aeson
Everyone deserves to have their say. Pretending like race matters in who gets to say what is racist. You're wrong, race does matter. Minorities often don't get heard, or have their concerns downplayed.

At the same time, you can't just say "you're racist" w/o an explanation why. On top of that, after the "racist" comes out, it is often okay to scorn the individual who said it, and discard anything they say after that. Any real racist isn't going to change their minds under those circumstances, and someone who isn't intentionally doing so will feel hurt and angry. Hence the need for real dialogue.

I have a lot of respect for Bill Cosby for standing up and taking abuse for saying basically the same thing.

Chris Rock said it too, tho after Bill. In fact I hear this from a lot of middle class blacks.