[erepsysoulperj]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Getting people to do what they are suppose to do isn't that hard. The hard part is deciding what they should do. Do I really have to agree with Kid here?

[cindygirl]

Originally posted by snoopy369
Other than me, how many other people on these boards have been an actual manager, anyway? I doubt it's very many... My business card says "Executive". Does that make me a manager?

[Farson]

Originally posted by asleepathewheel


Partly. It doesn't help when legacy carriers have to pay 2-3x the salaries the low-cost carriers have to due to the unions. So bust the unions.

Look at WestJet if you want to see how beautiful a non-union company can be.

[HaroldMY]

Originally posted by asleepathewheel

If only it were that easy Good luck rebuilding an entire airline's workforce, from the mechanics to the stewards, to the pilots. It's really not that hard, the way the airlines are going now they'll all be out of jobs shortly anyway.

Unions are killing the US automotive industry and the US airline industry, and no one cares.

[VomsVomaMew]

Originally posted by Asher
Unions are killing the US automotive industry and the US airline industry, and no one cares. Actually, it's bad management.

It wasn't the unions who told auto companies to build lots of gas-guzzling SUV and to forget about building hybrids and other ecology-friendly vehicles. It wasn't the unions who told airline companies to skip maintenance and to ignore safety regulations.

Union jobs are middle class jobs.
The middle class are consumers.
Consumer spending is the driving force of the economy.

It shouldn't take a genius to realize we need more union jobs, not fewer. More lower paying jobs mean will end up with the economy of Mexico or China.

[Opening-auto]

There was a time when unions were needed to protect the interests of the workers. That time is long past...

[glamourcitys]

Originally posted by snoopy369
Other than me, how many other people on these boards have been an actual manager, anyway? I doubt it's very many...

[zttrftwsq]

For your perfect airline, remember to remove humans from the equation. It also might be a good idea to remove the weather and maybe just all of reality to be on the safe side.

[teewHettive]

Originally posted by Ming
There was a time when unions were needed to protect the interests of the workers. That time is long past... Unions reached their peak in the late sixties.

The median wage of Americans (adjusted for inflation) hasn't risen significantly since 1973.

Since 1980, the wealth of America has doubled, but neither the middle class nor the lower class have seen any increase.

Tell me again how we can just sit and wait upon the largess of corporate America to share some of its wealth with us.

[ugosanchezo]

Managers main point should be to make sure people are doing their jobs, and communicating with eachother.

Jon Miller

[j2Y6Ysmb]

Originally posted by LordShiva
There's no reason why someone who's demonstrated a superior ability to perform technical tasks is necessarily well-suited managing other people performing those tasks. Very true.

[9rCR9hWL]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
Unions reached their peak in the late sixties.

The median wage of Americans (adjusted for inflation) hasn't risen significantly since 1973.

Since 1980, the wealth of America has doubled, but neither the middle class nor the lower class have seen any increase.

Tell me again how we can just sit and wait upon the largess of corporate America to share some of its wealth with us. Life is so simple for you. Unions = higher wages for everyone = good.

Do you not see the fact that these "high wages" (and it's not just wages, but the absurd benefits) are directly causing massive damage to the US Airline and US automotive industries? Or do you just not care?

Tell me, what is the average wage of the people Ford/GM have laid off to maintain the high wages/benefit demands that the market does not support?

[drugimpotence]

[jimbomaxf]

Gotta say, I've flown on communist airlines, third-world airlines, and tiny airlines in countries with very relaxed standards about, well, everything. And they were all better than any of my flights in post-9/11 America.

I also regularly transit one of the busiest airports in the world in one of the most security-obsessed coutries in the world (Singapore), and never have to take off my freakin' shoes.

It can't be that hard to do this right. Save us, Asher.

[juliannamed]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Hardly. They tend to keep wages up with inflation though. Otherwise all the money goes to shareholders and managers. Depends on both the Union and the Company, and to some extent what country you are in.

The real shame is that wage rounds/negotiations can become highly contnentious arguments between two sides who really do not like each other.

This is a huge problem these days - and it is a problem caused by both sides usually.

Rufus - I think only the US requires you to remove shoes belts etc - which is another reason not to travel to the country that also wants your fingerprints just to get in.

[GutleNus]

Chicago is, which is right near Des Moines, you lunatic. And third world experience because you need to take your shoes off? BITE it!

[durootrium]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
Chicago is, which is right near Des Moines, you lunatic. And third world experience because you need to take your shoes off? BITE it! You have to give Singapore credit for not being named "Des Moines".