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Originally posted by LordShiva
Teh Russian word for Tank is "Tankov?" That's awesome! The word for tank is "tank".
"Tankov" is the genitive case of noun "tank".

[teentodiefows]

Originally posted by Patroklos


Jack of all trades, master of none Beside the mark. BMPT is not a universal weapon.

How do you say "gold plating" in Russian? Pozolota?

[paydayus]

Originally posted by onodera

I was under impression that Bradley is a tank support fighting vehicle as well. The mission of the Bradley Fighting Vehicle [BFV] is to provide mobile protected transport of an infantry squad to critical points on the battlefield and to perform cavalry scout missions. http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m2.htm

So Bradley is a typical IFV.
BMPT has other mission and doesn't carry any infantry within.

[discountviagraman]

Originally posted by Serb

The word for tank is "tank".
"Tankov" is the genitive case of noun "tank". I didn't know Serbian tanks had genitals.

[bebeacc]

All around the world. They are doing fine. afaik they are being paraded as hell, but rarely are they used in real conflicts

i mean, in the ME they are sometimes used, but usually lose. much of that can be blamed on the poor operating and tactical skills of arab armies.

I can ask the same about any modern army. let's consider a very very strong guerilla resistance as a modern enough army, assuming they have advanced AT missiles (usually of ruski origin )

what threats did your infantry vehicles face in chechnya? how did they perform?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMPT
http://www.hudi2.republika.pl/BMPT.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMP-4 i've read them and their linking articles
very little on C4 abilities, even in the BMP-3K version

compare that to:
The final design will include an ergonomically designed driver's compartment, similar to that of the Merkava tank, fitted with large vision blocks and electro-optical driver's viewing devices enabling effective performance under all visibility conditions. At least four remotely controlled video cameras are used to provide the crew, driver and commander with unobstructed peripheral view. The Namer will become a fully networked armored fighting vehicle. Part of its C4 equipment will be the new Battle Management System/Infantry, designed by Elbit Systems to support the dismounted 'Integrated Advanced Soldier' (IAS) system. this means that everyone shares data about targets etc.
A new and very sophisticated Israeli Elbit Systems BMS (Battle Management System; Hebrew: צי"ד) has been designed, constructed, and tested. It is a centralised system which displays battlefield data on color plasma-TV-like screens. It collects data from tracked units and UAVs deployed in theater, and immediately distributes it in encrypted form to all other tank units in a given theater.
and... it even has a tiolet for it's 11 troops!!!

[irrawnWab]

and... it even has a tiolet for it's 11 troops!!! Gold plating

[Galvanoidum]

Originally posted by Patroklos


Gold plating

In a weapon saturated environment you often can not afford to leave the IFV for days, because you'll be sniped with an RPG or a regular weapon.

[alecoplesosse]

no such thing as low grunts
everyone are equal.

[cenRealliat]

Originally posted by Patroklos


And how is that different than the light tank AKA support tank of WWII vintage that was abandoned by all sides for the MBT concept soon after? Because it's not light. It has an armor of modern MBT but different armament suited for its specific targets.

[MarlboroCig]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov

Did you ever think that it might be due to limitations in your tanks?

Perhaps, other nation's tanks don't need such toys, because they have better turrets, tracking devices, target acquisition, C4 abilities, and are easily capable to defeat a load of varied targets such as infantry, helcopters, anti-tank vehicles, other tanks etc?

i do have to hand it that none of the israeli weapons are airborne or waterborne, but our reality doesn't require for the conquering of europe Blah-blah-blah, I hear this argument whenever we make something unique. Let's come back to this topic in 2028, when your "advanced" engineers will finally realise the need for such class of combat vehicles and be busy making their own poor copies of our designs.

[bZEUWO4F]

Blah-blah-blah, I hear this argument whenever we make something unique. Let's come back to this topic in 2028, when your "advanced" engineers will finally realise the need for such class of combat vehicles and be busy making their own poor copies of our designs. way to go on circumventing the argument
go work in improving your tank turrets' maneuverability

[Hdzcxqoi]

I think it basically provides the tank an auto canon which is much more apporpriate than a MBT main gun in urban enviroments in the vast majority of cases.

So that begs the question, why not just sent BMPTXYZWHATEVER into urban areas without the tank and be done with it?

[xyznicks]

Originally posted by Lonestar



That's about 50 years after the US Army Dude. The "pig" is just a lightly armored "hit&run" sort of TD.

[Fainnamoony]

Originally posted by onodera

I was under impression that Bradley is a tank support fighting vehicle as well. The Bradley Fighting Vehicle is basically an infantry fighting vehicle. It keeps the infantry protected and speeding along with the tanks while also having light weapons of its own to engage the enemy or provide supporting fire.

[Kneedycrype]

Honestly, the most interesting fight (and most likely, while still rather unlikely) between serious IFV would be China's ZBD-97 versus India's Abhay. It's also the fight least likely be to be spoiled by indirect fires.

[brurdefdoro]

Originally posted by onodera


And Bradley-3, the Cavalry Support Vehicle? (Damn, this American use of the word "cavalry" cracks me up every time.)

2d ACR...Toujour Pret!