[inownsuipsy]

immegration is a good thing

JM

[RichardHaads]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
immegration is a good thing
JM He said, illegal immigration.

[caseferter]

Hmhh.. I don't know. Check them out I guess. Let the cool ones in. Kick the jerks out and say they can come back when they have corrected their ways.

Impossible question though, there is no answer or solution.

[KongoSan]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
and I still say, immigration is good thing

JM Why do you have a fence on you're southern border then?

[Narus63]

Originally posted by Heraclitus


Why do you have a fence on you're southern border then? Which One?

[MichaelfromSpace]

I don't beleive that immigration restrictions is a good tihng.

JM

[exiceJetLip]

Originally posted by Pekka
Heraclitus, well, hte only thing we can do is try to help these neighbouring places so they won't come in groups. That's about the only thing, we can't use force and we can't just put a sign that says "no new people" either. Actually that’s what I had in mind, but we already give more humanitarian aid than any other country…
Maybe a wider effort is in place? Something that would teach them to fish not handouts like now…I don’t know some kind of economic and stabilization pact or just some programs for those countries… Its hard to say.

In any case we can’t just reward governments like the one in Sudan. So what do we do with people from countries that aren’t changing for the better?

[Peertantyb]

BTW It may be hard to convince African countries to enter development plans proposed by some EU members (like France or Britain), especially because of our colonial past or the sheer economical advantages like the large German economy would have.
Even if such institutions would be directed by countries like Finland or Switzerland there would still be some resentment and accusations of neo-colonialism.

[bushomeworkk]

EU is not a country

And we know humanitarian aid isn't just going to cut it. Throwing more money at it won't cut it either. So I guess what would be needed is all kinds of changes in rules and regulations as to help their businesses, but also all kinds of education and support, with the money of course.

Give a strong effort, a good care package with instructiosn and help given, hold the hands if you have to. After that? It really would be all we can do realistically so ... because if you would settle down some scores there, the bush wars and so forth, you'd have to take out some militias/tribes/clans and whatnot. I don't think EU is commited to that, plus it would have tons of problems as well outside "it's doable".

What I think is not waste anymore money, but give real resources, tools and help for some time. Sending some tents and water pumps doesn't do anything, and neither does giving money so most people can have some food at some point.

[Ocqljudq]

American immigration policy is a conspiracy against the American public. It's not a flaw in the design of the American republic, it's a feature.

[wvbwxol]

Originally posted by Heraclitus
Hi all, I have a little question to my fellow Europeans.


What should we do about illegal immigration into our respective countries? So, you show your true colors finally my Slovenian neighbour! There are like 10 foreigners in Slovenia and you are busy thinking how to get rid of them

Didn't you say you were an internationalist or something anyway?

[RaicickKida]

Of course EU doesn't have to help. But the illegals won't stop flooding in unless their situation gets a lot better so... I just see that as something that woudl work, then again, "fix Africa" for example is not very easy or maybe it isn't even feasible. But that's the only way to stop illegal immigration IMO, because it's impossible to stop the people from coming or trying to come.

[mp3 free]

Originally posted by VetLegion
There are like 10 foreigners in Slovenia and you are busy thinking how to get rid of them

[GinaIsWild]

Also, there's a problem with this anyway, I mean I realize the problems of illegal immigration, it's just starting to show in Europe, however, I couldn't stop people in desperate condition trying to come. The most who just don't have any realistic choices... I mean I couldn't say to them that this is something you shouldn't try to do. Of course they should try and try to have a better life and opportunities. So there's a dilemma right there as well.

It's a completely other issue what kind of services they'd be entitled to. I think they should be entitled to some very basic services, so they are healthy and not in some kind of inhumane camps either, but other than that? Not much else really. A chance to enter ... maybe rules like free teaching of the language and some kind of basic stuff and if they try it, they could be eligible for some kind of jobs and income with organizations that would have work for these folks.

I don't know. But we can't stop them from coming really, and we can't just let them starve to death while they're here.

[erelvenewmeva]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


There are a little fewer than 150,000 foreign immigrants and their descendants in Slovenia (which has a population of 2 million and one of the lowest birth rates in Europe). But I don’t mind them since they’re mostly Europeans, even most of the 40,000 Muslims are. Bosnian Islam is mostly ok, and compatible with democracy. There ere a few social issues since many of them are lower class… but it’s nothing as serious as what the French are dealing with.

Vetlegion’s comments aren’t funny in the way you think they are.

[xyupi]

Originally posted by Heraclitus
There are a little fewer than 150,000 foreign immigrants and their descendants in Slovenia (which has a population of 2 million and one of the lowest birth rates in Europe). But I don’t mind them since they’re mostly Europeans, even most of the 40,000 Muslims are. Bosnian Islam is mostly ok, and compatible with democracy. There ere a few social issues since many of them are lower class… but it’s nothing as serious as what the French are dealing with.

Vetlegion’s comments aren’t funny in the way you thin they are. They still are

[iNYZgxNC]

Originally posted by Alinestra Covelia
In the absence of any historical example, this is what I would propose: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maginot_Line

[PriniMai]

Originally posted by LordShiva


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maginot_Line That was a series of fortifications, as opposed to a solid building.

Despite its inherent coolness, I gather it didn't do too well in field tests. Something about them pesky Germans slipping through to cause all manner of mischief...

[Elitiachirl]

Wall isn't going to do it... EU has pretty long borders Plus, why would we prison ourselves inside? Makes no sense to me.

[Thomaswhitee]

Originally posted by BlackCat


Nah, we can't use the yankystan solution since our boarders are at sea, but a dozen or two of ironclads could probably be a solution. Well, can't we use the glorius Scandinavian navy?

EDIT: BTW Britain and France have usable navies... and as I understand it the Norwegian one isn't anything to scoff about (they are in Schengen if I remember correctly)... I don’t know anything about the Danish one though.