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Here is one comment on the vid:


this video was set up by some born again losers:
to make them feel better about the goofy **** that they believe in. if they want a debate, have them meet with some fanatical mormons... wait a second, there are no fanatical born again mormons.
Spec.

[Elisabetxxx]

Originally posted by Oerdin
EXTREME MORMONS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXOh4g_FLIM

[Reafnartefs]

Originally posted by Spec
IMO, the black guy is accusing the Mormons of over talking, but hes the one thats over-talking. And he manipulates the conversation to his advantage. But basically, he does seem to have a thought out opinion compared to an imposed one on the Mormons.

Or is it all fake? It looks set-up. The missionaries also didn't behave like missionaries... but that happens. (The way they introduced themselves mostly. After that they didn't get the chance to say much.)

[Janarealiti]

lol that was great LOL

[Jasonstawnosaa]

Just, wait soon that guy will be...

[oranowdenda]

It could be... you get all types as missionaries... but those missionaries didn't sound like they are taught to.

"We're representatives of Jesus Christ. We go around preaching about Jesus Christ"

They are taught to say they are representatives of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, not Jesus Christ directly. Also "teaching" rather than "preaching". Just sounds like something someone unfamiliar with the missionaries would say.

[rJohutozsfds]

My experience with practicing mormons is fairly positive, although I think their unique interpretations are wrong.

JM

[averkif]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Is this true or is most of the stuff about "space gods" and "polygamous gods" made up by Mormon detractors? This is not the stuff their missionaries talk about when they go around canvassing for converts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy0d1HbItOo There's some truth in there, and some bullshit.

Mormons do believe that there are many Gods, who were once just like us and eventually progressed spiritually to the point where they create their own worlds. (It's unclear if the entire universe would be created by one God.)

There's no mention of Elohim's wife. (The explanation is that God wouldn't want to subject her to the vulgarities that he and Jesus constantly face. So she isn't mentioned.) It's possible that there would be multiple wives given the doctrinal stance on polygamy, but no mention of even one.

There's no differentiation between skin color based on the war in heaven.

Elohim and his wife were definitely not Adam and Eve.

There was no sex involved in Jesus' conception (anymore than in any Christian doctrine.)

Jesus having wives isn't doctrinal AFAIK. It's suggested by some. I've never heard the direct decent of Joseph Smith from Jesus claimed by any Mormon or writings.

The stuff about the Americas is pretty much spot on as described in the Book of Mormon.

Mormons don't expect to become polygamous Gods. But perhaps Gods. Meaning, to have spirit children of their own and to be able to progress eternally.

All the stuff on Joseph Smith seems rather biased. It's obviously nothing like the bias that Mormons have. I've never heard of him judging in the afterlife, being greater than Jesus, or any of that sort of stuff. He's viewed as a Prophet, but no greater or worse than any other Prophet. His death isn't tied to any salvation.

[12dargernswearf]

Originally posted by Lorizael


Kobol. Oh, close enough. Maybe the writers didn't want to make their mission of subversion too transparent, or maybe they wanted to avoid a lawsuit.

[chadnezzrr]

Originally posted by Darius871
Odds are they're just amateurs with a Sunday-school level of knowledge who felt like going out and distributing pamphlets, not actual missionaries trained and ordained in some way. I've been confronted by Mormons too and at no time did the conversation seem scripted. That's because LDS missionaries spend a month or two in the MTC being taught how to "naturally" introduce themselves and start a conversation.

Very unlikely that any LDS membership would impersonate missionaries (at least not to go out and teach). It's hard work, and there are always missionaries available to do it.

[bebeacc]

A friend of my family is adventist. She told me not long ago an interesting thing about the mormons. She got a visit by a pair of them, and invited them in. They had long talks where they first told her about mormonism and why it was superior. Then she opened her Bible and pointed out why they were wrong on the different subjects they'd preached on. They got confused and asked if they could come back in a few days, after asking their mormon priest. They never came back. A few weeks later she checked out why and was told by a friend that the normal thing the mormon church does when one of their believers get this kind of trouble: He gets sent away to another place and is forbidden to come back to the person who confused him. She never saw them again.

[Xbcofega]

Originally posted by Darius871
Fair enough, I'm just saying anything is possible. It's not hard to imagine a few inarticulate wannabes going out and playing missionary, especially ones that young. Missionaries most are all that young. (19-21 for guys)

[BruceQW]

Originally posted by Aeson
Missionaries most are all that young. (19-21 for guys) The kids in that video just got out of diapers.

[amimabremiBit]

Originally posted by Nikolai
No, I think someone got afraid of loosing a diciple. She told me one of them in the end of the discussion was very near of turning down mormonism and becoming a "regular" Christian Didn't Aeson say that was one of their usual reasons for not returning? It doesn't necessarily take confrontation.

[seicslybearee]

The camera doesn't mean the bikers were in on staging it, only that the people they approached were.

[leflyCode]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
My experience with practicing mormons is fairly positive, although I think their unique interpretations are wrong.

JM What alienates most Christians from Mormons is not their unique interpretations of the Bible but the fact that Joseph Smith created an entirely new holy book and religion which has absolutely nothing to do with the Bible. If you are a Christian then you cannot simply start adding in new prophets, magic under wear, super secret magic tablets without fundamentally changing into something which is not Biblically based Christianity.

[q9h9pPne]

What alienates most Christians from Mormons is not their unique interpretations of the Bible but the fact that Joseph Smith created an entirely new holy book and religion which has absolutely nothing to do with the Bible. If you are a Christian then you cannot simply start adding in new prophets, magic under wear, super secret magic tablets without fundamentally changing into something which is not Biblically based Christianity. Yes, thanks Oerdin. That is exactly what is the case.

[lLianneForbess]

Firstly, I trust this lady very much.
Secondly, this is not the only time I've heard similar stories. First one I've heard directly from a person who have experienced it though.

But it's no biggie. I don't see why this upset you this much?

[CHEAPSOFTOEMONLINE]

Originally posted by Aeson


She's telling you something a friend told her. How would either of them know why the guy who didn't come back to talk to her didn't come back? No. Perhaps I should have been more specific. She told me something she'd heard from a friend and then verified. She didn't tell me how though. And this is a story she mentioned in the middle of a greater discussion, so I really don't have more info ready.

It doesn't upset me. The explanation just doesn't make sense. Why would you expect a missionary who supposedly now doesn't believe in their mission to come back and continue being a missionary? It doesn't take a conspiracy to explain why he didn't come back. As I understand it, mormons views themselves as Christians. (I have some problems with that, but that's another discussion.) This guy didn't loose faith in God, he was beginning to get doubts on if the mormon church had the right interpretation. He said he would come back after talking to his priest/supervisor, and didn't. After how I understood it he was sent away. And that concerns me. Any Christian should always be open for the possibility that one's view on different matters in Christian theology can be wrong. After all, we are all less-than-perfect humans.

[wmcelesta]

Look, this is going nowhere. I mentioned an old story I heard a long time ago that was relevant for the topic we're discussing. I can't see why you make such a large thing out of it.