[oronozopiy]

Originally posted by Kidicious


You can predict all you want. I'm pointing out that people predicted in 1998 that Venezuela would be a disaster right now. And they are wrong. I don't hold your predictions in high regard.

And let the numbers speak for themselves. So, people go around predicting things and saying all kinds of stuff. That shouldn't matter.
now youre sounding like global warming denier.

[Flerdourdyged]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
now youre sounding like global warming denier. ?????

[Kliopeion]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Only his political enemies made those claims. Or people concerned about Democracy. There is a big reason why his court packing scheme didn't work. His own party was appauled at the behavior.

[elapicearpisp]

Originally posted by Kidicious

Only his political enemies made those claims. Wrong. His attempt at court packing was opposed by his own party.

-Arrian

[Nutpoode]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
the present ven constitution will Chavez to stay till 2012, which would give him a longer time in office than FDR had. So can we leave FDR out of it? Do you think FDR should have stayed in office for 20 years? I don't think putting a limit on how long a leader should hold office in a crisis is a smart thing. FDR served the proper time in my opinion. Whether or not Chavez should serve more time depends on the situation in 2012.

[Haibundadam]

Originally posted by Arrian
Ah, so as long as there is some sort of crisis, one can justify staying in power forever. Think about that for a little bit! War on Terror

Bush should be able to run again!

[Adimos]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Some in his own party. Most of his own party... including his own Vice President.

[MadMark]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


War on Terror

Bush should be able to run again!

[hwood]

The newspaper article in the first post of this thread.

-Arrian

[ScosyGissiok]

The plan would then be put to a national referendum. There you go.

It's up to Venezuelan voters to decide if they like his ideas. If they don't go for it, then see what happens.

Calling this anti-democratic is insane, since the article says there will be a referendum.

[Saispapedlimi]

Originally posted by Arrian


I'm the Yankee fan. Imran is a Mets fan. I dunno if Kid cares about baseball.

I'm too young to get your cultural reference, sorry.

-Arrian Met fan, did you say Met fan!

"My beer, is Rheingold, the dry beer
Think of Rheingold, whenever you buy beer
Its refreshing, not sweet
Its the extra dry treat
Wont you try, extra dry Rheingold beer!"

Back in the golden days, when men were men, women were women, and playgrounds were deathtraps, every baseball teams had a beer company sponsor. With TV ads on the local games. As this was back when there were still local brewers (and not microbrews, REAL local brewers) there were local sponsors in every town. NY, privileged to have two teams, also had at least two local brewers. Shaefer ads were on Yankee games, and Rheingold ads on Met games. I was too young to even grasp the appeal of beer, but I did memorize the jingles.

Rheingold jingles, Tom Seaver strikeouts, Cleon Jones hits. It all goes together.

[otheloComRole]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Excuss me mister history but WWII started in FDRs second term. Well, Mr. reading comprehension he said the US's direct involvement in WW2.

[teergoBissono]

Originally posted by Arrian


What crisis, exactly, is Venezuela going through right now?

Are they at war? No. Yes they are. You don't see it because you aren't a Socialist.
Are they in the midst of a terrible depression? No - they're not a rich country, to be sure, but according to you, because of Chavez, things are going great!

The trouble with the concept of sticking with a leader through a crisis is that depending on how you define a crisis, countries are always facing them. Or they can be cooked up pretty easily.

-Arrian By every sense of the word the economy of Venezuela was in a depression in 1998. The people in Venezuela aren't all doing well yet, not by a long shot, and they still have very dangerous enemies.

[Dastyh]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


That's like saying a referendum allowing GW Bush to become President for life isn't anti-democratic, since people are going to vote on it. In the modern era, democracy isn't merely voting, but the tenants of 'liberal democracy' which include far more.
tenets of liberal democracy.

The tenants of liberal democracy, they are fighting hard to keep rent control.

[DINAKuncher]

No. First term = 1933-1937. Second term 1937-1941.

Pearl Harbor = December 7, 1941... after the start of the third term.

Now I agree that WWII started in Asia earlier and Europe in 1939. And that the US wasn't completely removed from that (Lend Lease, etc). But the fact is we weren't a combatant until term #3.

And you chide me on my knowledge of history.

-Arrian

[Immonnaornach]

Originally posted by Agathon


There you go.

It's up to Venezuelan voters to decide if they like his ideas. If they don't go for it, then see what happens.

Calling this anti-democratic is insane, since the article says there will be a referendum. It's a step down a road that seems undemocratic to me. But I'm not calling this undemocratic. I think it's a bad idea, even if it's democratic.

-Arrian

[Abebpabeniemo]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


as was the cold war. The US started the Cold War.