[zooworms]

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...hreadid=167258

[CULTDIAMONDS]

I am not sure what point you were trying to make with the quoted portion of the constitution, unless it was to define the vice presidential term limit and election method.

[feedcomnet]

The gentleman in my avatar, John Adams, first VP of the US, was actually excluded from cabinet meetings by George Washington, on the ground that Adams, as VP, was part of the legislative branch, and so having him at a cabinet meeting would violate the seperation of powers. So the argument isnt THAT far fetched.

OTOH Cheney DOES attend cabinet meetings.


"Susan Low Bloch, a constitutional professor at Georgetown University Law Center, called Cheney's position a "novel claim." Although most people think of vice presidents as executive officials, she added that it's really "a bit of a hybrid" role.

As vice president, Cheney receives his paycheck from the U.S. Senate, which also pays the salaries of much of his staff. However, he also sits in Cabinet meetings and has an office at the White House."

[Rufio]

This is, obviously, the political version of calling "forcefield forever!"

doesn't work with his hunting partners, shouldn't work here

[Peterli]

Originally posted by Japher
This is, obviously, the political version of calling "forcefield forever!"



-Arrian

[juptVatoSoito]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
Sounds like we need a Bush/Cheney sub forum. Oerdin for moderator?

[oplapofffe]

Originally posted by Vesayen
That thread is 3 days old, and on a different topic.

That is on Cheneys denials.

The topic of this, is on one specific way in which he denied to play ball, which is to be franks, insane. From the article posted in the thread we already have on this topic:

Cheney's office provided the information in 2001 and 2002, then stopped. Henry Waxman, chairman of the committee, said Cheney's office claims it need not comply with the executive order because it is not an "entity within the executive branch." Yes, your thread is a duplicate.

[affozyBoomi]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Hasn't that much been obvious since day one? Yeah, but there's a difference between other people saying it and his current self-pwnage.

[nd90t3sf]

He thinks he works for Exxon.

[Buhoutsoupfap]

I was talking about the whole revealing himself as an evil grand vizier bit.

[grinaJanoDant]

Originally posted by Koyaanisqatsi

Directly contradicting yourself in the press is generally not a good thing.

Do you think he actually cares about what people think? He is telling everyone to go **** themselves and gets away with it. I expect a coup lead by him early next year to ensure that he is installed as emperor. He will be connected to a machine that will insure he lives forever.

[CFstantony]

[maliboia]

Well that's a frightening thought. Gee, thanks.

[Clunlippibe]

Did he or did he not take (or help taking) executive decisions ?

[FourEsters]

Originally posted by Lorizael


Remember, though, that this was the case when the VP was the losing presidential candidate and a rival to the president. Nowadays the two are supposed to be a team, and the constitution really does seem to indicate, in pretty clear language, that the VP is a member of the executive branch. John Adams was not in fact a rival to George Washington, and was more "pro-Washington" than Jefferson was.

[wCYvMKAc]

Originally posted by Lorizael


But he wasn't George's running mate...

At the time, did other candidates realistically expect to be able to beat Washington? Or did they believe themselves to be fighting for second place - the vice presidency. This is an honest question; I'm curious. The latter, I'm quite sure, was the case during the relevant election, in 1789. The next election in 1792, I think was still the case - Jefferson was consciously running against Adams, not Washington, though J's relations with W were starting to grow strained. Adams, if not W's running mate legally, was clearly in the Federalist faction with Hamilton that tended to rally around W on controversial issues, such as Hamilton's financial plan, and the Jay treaty (though Im foggy on the date of the latter).

[Mqcawkzd]

Ha, sorry, I have adminstered the appropriate number of lashings.

[Blelidupgerie]

Does it stand a chance of setting precedent? If yes, then it's not silly to complain/worry about it. If no, you might be right.

-Arrian

[Imagimifouxum]

Originally posted by Patroklos


Then kindly point the relevant portion out, because the portion you posted says nothing of the sort. Article II Executive

Section 4 - Disqualification

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.


VP is defined by virtue of this section as being part of the executive.

[WGfg4CCZ]

Lorizael: Now we're back to LotM's Adam's example.