Polish aggressors siphon £1 billion out of UK economy
 

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And:

"Earlier this week, Poles were blamed for a shortage of £50 notes in Britain. It is claimed they are sending notes home, leaving the Bank of England with insufficient numbers in circulation."

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Poles deciding what to do with their own money http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/angry.gif http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...ons/icon13.gif

Britain is becoming polish-exploited colony http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...danceparty.gif

Also Polish women are hot and the UK needs all the hot women it can get. http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...ies/tongue.gif

The majority have concluded that they're a net positive because they lower inflation, increase the tax base, and provide needed population growth. http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...milies/lol.gif http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...milies/lol.gif http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...milies/lol.gif

Priceless if I assume you are talking about illegals, which I am 100% sure you are.

Originally posted by Oerdin
In the US we've spent decades going round and round about with low skilled workers contribute more then then cost in social services. The majority have concluded that they're a net positive because they lower inflation, increase the tax base, and provide needed population growth. US =/ UK in this regard. You have lower tax, less public services paid for by the taxpayer and less of an extreme demand for land. I agree, immigration in the US is generally of a positive effect. I'm a lot less inclined to agree that it has for the UK as well.

The last thing the UK, in the long term, needs is population growth.

Oerdin, do you have any idea of the housing crisis in the UK at the moment?

Because of excessive environmental and socially-responsible red tape, plus a big dose of NIMBYism, nowhere near enough houses are being built, with the result that there is a chronic shortage of accomodation, which combined with low-tax status for the ultra-rich, buy-to-let sharks, and massive city bonuses, are driving house prices out of control, and cutting living standards to the bone for millions of people.

I'm in favour of immigration in principal, but there comes a point where infrastructure has to keep pace, and it's not happening here at the moment.

The problem isn't some backward, bigotted, nationalistic prejudice against 'furrenrers', but a matter of logistics.

Britain isn't enjoying lower inflation, bucause house prices have risen in some places by 10% in six months. That is NOT low inflation, and it is not enjoyable (other than for the rich).

Originally posted by Drogue

US =/ UK in this regard. You have lower tax, less public services paid for by the taxpayer and less of an extreme demand for land. I agree, immigration in the US is generally of a positive effect. I'm a lot less inclined to agree that it has for the UK as well.

The last thing the UK, in the long term, needs is population growth. Yes the US and UK are so different http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/smile.gif

As to the OP, this would not be a problem, IF the UK ran a trade surplus with Poland to about the size of the remittances.

And As to the low skilled labor being great, that is of course why the third world, choking on its cheap labor, is in such excellent condition huh?

Pimp or not only a stupid person would pass up taking in more hot chicks.

and thats why the UK Gov/Private Sector should be aggressively investing and helping the government of poland. those pounds that are sent back to poland to be spent in poland so why not cater to that 1 billion dollars in poland.

Originally posted by kittenOFchaos
I'm all for this country getting an infusion of fresh genes given the specimens I teach. Pretty ugly, eh?

Originally posted by Cort Haus


Are you twelve? Yes. I am 12.

Originally posted by Drogue

US =/ UK in this regard. You have lower tax, less public services paid for by the taxpayer and less of an extreme demand for land. I agree, immigration in the US is generally of a positive effect. I'm a lot less inclined to agree that it has for the UK as well.

The last thing the UK, in the long term, needs is population growth. Re services, given the demographic of the Poles and other economic migrants the public service requirements are quite low. Little of the £100bn NHS, little of the £80bn spent on education, they tend not to be drawing pensions, and aren't over for the unemployment benefits. There are local services, but they pay their council taxes.

It's 10-20 years down the line when demographics change that are more of a concern.

won't the Poles with the pounds have to utimately spend them on UK goods

Originally posted by TheStinger
won't the Poles with the pounds have to utimately spend them on UK goods Erm, no. Other countries are available.

No, the ultimate destination of the £50 notes is the international currency market. Poles with pounds convert their pounds into Euros or zlotys and spend them on things that are unlikely to be UK goods.

Originally posted by Oerdin
Getting college educated workers is almost always a plus As said, yes in the US, not so clear cut in the UK.

Originally posted by Oerdin
and most Poles have college educations. Not the ones who move to the UK. Most Poles emigrating here are low skilled workers who end up in London doing relatively menial jobs. As you mentioned earlier, this can also be positive, in the

Originally posted by Oerdin
They help improve economic growth. Per capita? Any evidence for that? Generally population growth is thought to have little effect on per capita economic growth unless either a) it's very rapid population growth, in which case it has a negative effect as the infrastructure isn't there to support the huge influx or b) they have a significantly different skill level than the rest of the population. Most immigrants from Eastern Europe are less skilled than the UK average. I fail to see any evidence or theory that supports the idea that this type of immigration aids per capita economic growth.

Originally posted by Oerdin
Plus in a generation or two people will intermarry and you wan't be able to tell someone who is half polish from someone who is entirely British in ancestry. They'll all look, talk, and dress alike. Very true, although this simply removes some of the cultural reasons against, it doesn't provide a reason for immigration. And there are still problems for a generation of language, separation of communities, etc.

Originally posted by Oerdin
Enjoy having cheaper food and services provided by people willing to work cheaply. This is the first relatively significant positive thing you've mentioned. However I feel it's far, far outweighed by the burden on public services, the lesser-education of Polish immigrants and the effect on housing costs in the UK, especially London.

In short, it's a balancing game - on the one side we have the effect of marginally cheaper services, and on the other more overcrowding, public services and housing problems. The general effect on per capita economic growth is negative.

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Originally posted by Drogue

US =/ UK in this regard. You have lower tax, less public services paid for by the taxpayer and less of an extreme demand for land. I agree, immigration in the US is generally of a positive effect. I'm a lot less inclined to agree that it has for the UK as well. Well you'd be wrong. http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/smile.gif

There's been a wealth of research into migration from A8 accession countries, all of which has found no employment effects of migration, and a positive impact on growth (edit: saw your later post - yes it's per capita). Check out the IPPR website, and the HMT website if you want references, and there is a nice report published by DWP - author Sarah Lemos. There's also a literature on A8 migration and dependency ratios from a pensions perspective (where population growth is a clear plus) but I'm less familiar with that.

That's just the headline research, there's also stuff like BoE have regularly cited migration as keeping interest rates down.

As an economist you should be better than this. http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...es/biggrin.gif