[wbondarmunw]

Free schooling is just one aspect. What about all the free healthcare:



Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas, Texas is a fairly famous institution and for a variety of reasons:

1. John F. Kennedy died there in 1963
2. Lee Harvey Oswald died there shortly after
3. Jack Ruby, who killed Lee Harvey Oswald, died there a few years later by coincidence

On the flip side, Parkland is also home to the second busiest maternity ward in the country with almost 16,000 new babies arriving each year. (That's almost 44 per day — every day)

A recent patient survey indicated that 70 percent of the women who gave birth at Parkland in the first three months of 2006 were illegal immigrants.' Crikey, that's 11,200 anchor babies born every year just in Dallas. According to the article, the hospital spent $70.7 million delivering 15,938 babies in 2004 but managed to end up with almost $8 million dollars in surplus funding. Medicaid kicked in $34.5 million, Dallas County taxpayers kicked in $31.3 million and the feds tossed in another $9.5 million.

The average patient in Parkland's maternity wards is 25 years old, married and giving birth to her second child. She is also an illegal immigrant. By law, pregnant women cannot be denied medical care based on their immigration status or ability to pay. OK, fine. That doesn't mean they should receive better care than everyday, middle-class American citizens. But at Parkland Hospital, they do.

Parkland Memorial Hospital has nine prenatal clinics. NINE. The Dallas Morning News article followed a Hispanic woman who was a patient at one of the clinics and pregnant with her third child — her previous two were also born at Parkland. Her first two deliveries were free and the Mexican native was grateful because it would have cost $200 to have them in Mexico. This time, the hospital wants her to pay $10 per visit and $100 for the delivery but she was unsure if she could come up with the money. Not that it matters, the hospital won't turn her away. (I wonder why they even bother asking at this point.)

How long has this been going on? What are the long-term effects? Well, another subject of the article was born at Parkland in 1986 shortly after her mother entered the U.S. illegally — now she is having her own child there as well. (That's right, she's technically a U.S. citizen.) These women receive free prenatal care including medication, nutrition, birthing classes and child care classes. They also get freebies such as car seats, bottles, diapers and formula.

Most of these things are available to American citizens as well but only for low-income applicants and even then, the red tape involved is almost insurmountable.

Because these women are illegal immigrants they do not have to provide any sort of legitimate identification — no proof of income. An American citizen would have to provide a social security number which would reveal their annual income — an illegal immigrant need only claim to be poor and the hospital must take them at their word.

My husband is a pilot for the United States Navy (yes, he fought in Iraq) and while the health care is good, we Navy wives don't get any of these perks! Car seats? Diapers? Not so much. So my question is this: Does our public medical care system treat illegal immigrants better than American citizens? Yes it does!

As I mentioned, the care I have received is perfectly adequate but it's bare bones, meat and potato medical care — not top of line.

Their (the illegals) medical care is free — simply because they are illegal immigrants? Once again, there is no way to verify their income. Parkland Hospital offers indigent care to Dallas County earn less than $40,000 per year. (They also have to prove that they did not refuse health coverage at their current job. Yeah, the 'free' care is not so easy for Americans.)

There are about 140 patients who received roughly $4 million dollars for un-reimbursed medical care. As it turns out, they did not qualify for free treatment because they resided outside of Dallas County. So the hospital is going to sue them! Illegals get it all free! But U.S. citizens who live outside of Dallas County get sued! How stupid is this?

As if that isn't annoying enough, the illegal immigrant patients are actually complaining about hospital staff not speaking Spanish. In this AP story, the author speaks with a woman who is upset that she had to translate comments from the hospital staff into Spanish for her husband. The doctor was trying to explain the situation to the family and the mother was forced to translate for her husband who only spoke Spanish. This was apparently a great injustice to her.

In an attempt to create a Spanish-speaking staff, Parkland Hospital is now providing incentives in the form of extra pay for applicants who speak Spanish. Additionally, medical students at the University of Texas Southwestern for which Parkland Hospital is the training facility will now have a Spanish language requirement added to their already jammed-packed curriculum. No other school in the country boasts such a ridiculous multi-semester (multicultural) requirement.

[SonicPs]

Originally posted by Whoha


the 14th says that they must be born in the US, and be subject to the jurisdiction thereof. Should be an interesting court battle. The SCOTUS has determined that there are only two situations in which the jurisdictional elements come into play:

a) Children born to parents with diplomatic immunity from a foreign government
b) Children born in a part of the United States under foreign occupation in wartime

[voksveta]

What?

[bp9QxekG]

How did you arrive at that, Ramo?

[Gvadelunar]

I still doubt it; and if that's the case, we end up right back that employers are the truly guilty group.
Jail them. End of problem.

[triardwonvada]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
The SCOTUS has determined that there are only two situations in which the jurisdictional elements come into play:

a) Children born to parents with diplomatic immunity from a foreign government
b) Children born in a part of the United States under foreign occupation in wartime scotus will be asked to look at it again.

[elton]

Originally posted by Ramo
well, you said these people were paying our retirement, but if we pay them then that is not the case.

While they're illegal, they're paying for our retirements. If they become residents or citizens, they're treated like the rest of us. This means that they won't be the saviour of social security then.

[7kitthuptarill]

AUSTIN – Texas lawmakers struck hard at illegal immigrants Monday, filing bills that would restrict birthright citizenship, bar them from getting state benefits such as health care and education, make it illegal for them to get business permits and tax them for sending money south of the border. No one is an idiot like a Texan is an idiot. California's 187 tried to deny education to illegal immigrants and the US Supreme Court tossed it out as illegal and unconstitutional. Same with the denial of medical care since most of it was from emergency rooms.
Citizenship at birth is assured in the Constitution so again the Texans are pissing in the wind and getting themselves drenched.

Business permits, taxing remitances, and even legally requiring landlords to varify renters' legal status or have their property siezed might be legal. The first two are likely legal but won't do much as people would just stuff cash into an envelope and mail it. That's why the illegals are in a cash economy so they can stay off of the books and under the radar thus this new law won't have any effect.

Dumb Texan law makers passing laws which won't work.

Dumb Texans who will fall for this obvious pandering which won't do jack cheese to solve the problem.

Sloww when he's not acting like a dumb Texan.

[TimoDass]

I want to know how any immigrant that took the time and made the effort to become a legal citizen can possibly support illegal aliens?
I asked Imran before and the little bastard ignored me.

[Kryfamid]

Give me the children. You know us evil Texans. Put them to work in the fields.

[TeveVikep]

Originally posted by Oerdin
rightly, see this as obvious racism. so then, why does the US have limits to legal immigration in your view Oerdin? Should there be any? and if so what should those limits be? or are such limits inherently racist?

[Thorwaywhobia]

No, you're just desperate for people. All the inbreds are dying out.

[RildFiemodo]

Actually, I like Arkansas. Got some pretty country.
Petit Jean State Park is fantastic.

[dabibibff]

Immigration is a fantastic thing. Illegal and undocumented entry is not.

[Wxrxnhar]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
I want to know how any immigrant that took the time and made the effort to become a legal citizen can possibly support illegal aliens?
I asked Imran before and the little bastard ignored me. Er no. I answered and you didn't like the answer, so you ignored it .

Legal immigrants, even though they took the time and effort to become legal citizens know how ****ed up and arduous that entire process is. They also know that people want to come to the US for better opportunity for their families. So I can easily see how a legal immigrant and sympathize with illegal immigrants.

It isn't legal immigrants who are clamoring for closing off the borders.

[bubborn]

Well, hell. I figured it was a tooth fairie.

[Fgunehjf]

Originally posted by Whoha


the 14th says that they must be born in the US, and be subject to the jurisdiction thereof. Should be an interesting court battle. Right, therefore they're citizens unless you change or ignore the 14th ammendment. It's not a very ambiguously-worded ammendment.

Because of this ammendment you get bunches of pregnant Koreans coming over to have their kids in the states so that they can get American passports and avoid the Korean draft. A bit of a silly situation but you can't just ignore the constitution because it doesn't do what you want.

Right now illegal immigration is the best of all possible worlds for business. They get cheap workers who are easy to replace and easier to intimidate. Either amnesty or serious prosecution of the businesses that hire illegal immigrants (by far a better way of going about solving the problem since large businesses can't hide and have so much more to lose) would be vastly better than the joke of a policy we have now.