[somawaima]

Why's Sloww banned?

[boffincash]

I would think it would be trivial.

Was Sloww mocking DanQ's [really] anoying(sic) editorial [s]tyle?

[radicalvolume]

He tried to help Alexander's Horse, which apparently goes against the rules.

That should definitely be a bannable offense.

[Promotiona]

Originally posted by Bosh
Listening to the freepers squeal.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1738013/posts

Music to my ears. I'm 100% Pro-homosexual too.

[tuszit]

I don't think that Giuliani will make it through the primary. His popularity is based entirely on his being mayor of NYC on/after 9/11. As the electorate learns more about him, they'll find that he wasn't the most popular/effective mayor, and will worry over his complete lack of foreign policy experience, and wonder what he has done over the years since he wasn't mayor.

[soipguibbom]

Guiliani will likely be savaged by the right wing of the party in the primary, yeah. He's far too socially liberal.

And being mayor of NYC during 9/11 boosted his popularity, but there is some mud there that can be dug up and slung at him. Further, 9/11 aside, he was the mayor of New York, which is widely perceived as a wretched hive of scum and villany (liberalism).

-Arrian

[Pznrrmaf]

He did a very good job as Mayor of New York City. The problem is that most Republican voters (and most Democratic voters too) don't live in cities and don't identify with city problems.

We'll have to see what kind of platform he puts forth. I don't dismiss his candidacy out of hand.

[Dayreive]

True. I'm generally pro-Rudy. I'm just throwing possible problems out there.

The problem is that most Republican voters (and most Democratic voters too) don't live in cities and don't identify with city problems. I have to disagree there. Lots of voters live either in cities or in bedroom communities and commute into work in cities... and that would give them an appreciation for Rudy. Especially the commuters, actually. My mother commuted in to NYC for ~30 years from CT. She loves Rudy - always will - because Rudy made NYC safer for her (bravo from me as well on that). Yet my mom lives in a town of 6000 people.

My basic point is that living in a small town doesn't = small town mindset.

-Arrian

[reervieltnope]

Originally posted by Arrian
I have to disagree there. Lots of voters live either in cities or in bedroom communities and commute into work in cities... and that would give them an appreciation for Rudy. Especially the commuters, actually. My mother commuted in to NYC for ~30 years from CT. She loves Rudy - always will - because Rudy made NYC safer for her (bravo from me as well on that). Yet my mom lives in a town of 6000 people.

My basic point is that living in a small town doesn't = small town mindset.

-Arrian I hear you, but the numbers just aren't there of people like your mom.

Tough on crime is a good Rudy accomplishment, which he might be able to exploit to good effect. But crime normally isn't a presidential issue in a positive sense (of course, you can make it a negative, a la Willie Horton).

[xesvideo]

More like most urban areas are not New York City -- a huge city.

[Repwailia]

Rudy would run as a moderate who could get tough when needed, but who knows how to work with the other side. This would be a bad tactic for Rudy. He should run as a conservative on the things where he has conservative credentials, or could gain conservative credentials (national security).

[Vokbeelllicky]

Originally posted by Arrian
True. What issues do you consider to be unique to the huge cities (NYC, Chicago, LA, etc?)?

-Arrian No, I'm just pointing out why your mom's situation isn't typical. In actual fact, few Americans are attached to inner cities.

If you go to someplace like Columbus, Ohio (middle America), not too many people have occasion to commute downtown. Some do. Others commute to other parts of Columbus that really aren't downtown-ish.

A very small proportion of the GOP voters have an attachment to the actual city parts of Columbus. And Ohio is a GOP state.

[codespokerbonus]

Originally posted by DanS


No, I'm just pointing out why your mom's situation isn't typical. In actual fact, few Americans are attached to inner cities.

If you go to someplace like Columbus, Ohio (middle America), not too many people have occasion to commute downtown. Some do. Others commute to other parts of Columbus that really aren't downtown-ish.

A very small proportion of the GOP voters have an attachment to the actual city parts of Columbus. And Ohio is a GOP state. But I thought you were trying to make some sort of point about how most voters "don't identify with city problems."

What problems are specific to NYC? Crime sure isn't.

-Arrian

[QiuCIOdO]

Originally posted by Arrian


But I thought you were trying to make some sort of point about how most voters "don't identify with city problems."

What problems are specific to NYC? Crime sure isn't.

-Arrian In my example, Columbus is a violent town. A couple hundred murders a year. But most people never find themselves in an area where the murders take place. Certainly not Republican voters.

[diseeKeythilt]

To be honest, from the perspective of the GOP primary, the area where Guiliani is weakest is morality. His personal life is a mess. This might not register in NYC as any of the public's business, but in the GOP, national politicians have resigned for much less.

[JakilSong]

"Radical gay organization"?

[Pharmaciest2007]

Originally posted by DanS
To be honest, from the perspective of the GOP primary, the area where Guiliani is weakest is morality. His personal life is a mess. This might not register in NYC as any of the public's business, but in the GOP, national politicians have resigned for much less. Nows the time to get past all that rubbish. Its not as if W was a paragon of virtue save for the fact that he was born again.

Get back to fiscal restraint and leave the bedroom alone. Heres hoping a bit of the wilderness sharpens GOP desires to court the middle.

[AdobeCreativeSuite]

Personally, I'd have to learn more about Giuliani before making any final decisions but as it stands now I find him to be more interesting as a candidate than McCain. His abortion and gun stands (the gay issue really doesn't matter that much to me and he can sell it as a State's Rights issue and leave it at that) might make me a bit queasy voting for him but I'd have to see how he might explain them in the campaign before saying yes or no.

[oxixernibioge]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


The christian right maybe. Who might even prefer McCain. But the High Tory right, whose chief spokesman is George Will, want a firewall against campaign finance reform. They dont care nearly as much about gays and abortion as they do about preserving the role of money in politics, which, IMO, they see as the principle barrier to the "politics of envy" which would trample on property rights, and promote the greatest sin of all, that of sloth, and living off takings from ones betters. McCain CAN NOT BE FORGIVEN for McCain Finegold. And the fundies, well they show disturbing tendencies to support social programs now and again, faith based this and that. We could have a very interesting GOP campaign, with libertarians, and the most reactionary high tories, pitted against neo cons and fundies for McCain. Well the more pragmatic fundies, anyway. Which would look more "moderate" is anyones guess. McCain-Finegold

As to the rest, um, we'll see I guess.

-Arrian

[TeveVikep]

I wonder who would win in a Gore-Guiliani race. It really is looking like Gore is going to run but will wait 6-12 months before jumping in just like Clinton did in 1992. That is if you believe the scuttle butt over on slate.com.

Hilary has amassed a huge campaign war chest but she remains a deeply devisive figure. Gore much less so in both money and devisiveness.