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**echocassidyde** · 10-09-2006, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by Vince278
When it comes down to the West vs. Radical Islam I can tell you who will win: The side that has the greatest will and desire to commit genocide.

Originally posted by MRT144
if america gets nuked the best thing to do is move on as best we can and not fall to the level of madness. we would lose more allies than gain enemies if we retaliate in kind. True. So we lose.

**hellencomstar** · 10-09-2006, 11:30 PM

What the **** is the "West" anyways? By that statement, Brachy and I are both in "the West", but I certainly do not want to be in any way associated with his ideology, if it condones mass murder. And Aneesh would not be labelled "the West", but he sees himself as a fellow warrior against "Islam."

Folks like AQ want this to be a battle of X vs. Islam. Anyone who buys into their crap has let them win in terms of setting the agenda.

This is a war between modern political ideologies, which is what Islamism and Liberal democracy are.

**heennaRaf** · 10-09-2006, 11:38 PM

And I don't consider Muslims my enemy, or Iraq, or any of that. I don't advocate nuking them..etc. I am not in favor of Iraq, (I use to be ambivlent towards it).

But I guaruntee that some of the Al Quada types consider me to be their enemy.

JM

**peemovvie** · 10-09-2006, 11:41 PM

No, as I said. I don't consider them my enemy. I don't behave as they are my enemy. I don't favor taking stands against them, etc.

But yes, I do recognize that some want such a conflict to be occuring. You, and others in this thread, apparently want the conflict to be Christians versus Muslims.. since that would prove something to you. the Al Quada types wish to be Muslims versus the West.. or something.

Just because I recognise others thoguht processes does not mean that I have those same ones myself.

Give me a break here, I am not the person you wish to pigeon hole me as. Neither are a lot of other people.

JM

**lapInsalm** · 10-09-2006, 11:45 PM

I'm far from being a Christian wacko and I'm not advocating genocide. I'm just telling it the way I see it if both sides don't learn how to back down and things go inevitably the way they're going.

**Endatrybeeddy** · 10-09-2006, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
I'm not going to go all Jesus-like and turn the other cheek, GePap. If someone makes you their enemy there isn't that much you can do. There are plenty of things you can do, depending on the balance of power.

If a guy twice my size decided to label me his enemy, the situation is fundamentally different from some three year old saying he is my enemy.

**enteltcheft** · 10-09-2006, 11:57 PM

Sorry, but I have always had nothing but contempt for Huntington's little book, just as I did for Fukiyama's "End of History."

**Nikkytas** · 10-10-2006, 12:03 AM

Originally posted by Odin
I suggest you read This book if you really believe that.
The prob with Huntington is that what he describes as clash of civs and "cultural conflict" can be very well described as conflict of ideologies as well (certainly in the current conflict vs. radical islamism), so his belief that "the age of ideology had ended" is just too strongly focussed on the end of the cold war and the idea that afterwards there wouldn't be serious ideological conflicts anymore. I think today he wouldn't be so quick in announcing the end of the "age of ideology".

**ButKnillinoi** · 10-10-2006, 01:32 AM

Originally posted by MRT144
and if someone makes me their enemy i turn the other cheek. and im only slightly christian. more ethics than mystics. If they try to kill you?

**UnmariKam** · 10-10-2006, 01:36 AM

If they try and kill me so be it. I will defend myself but I will not retaliate, or premptively defend myself by killing them. Theres a difference. Youre smart, and you know this.

**VFOVkZBj** · 10-10-2006, 02:18 AM

Originally posted by GePap
Sorry, but I have always had nothing but contempt for Huntington's little book, just as I did for Fukiyama's "End of History." What does Fukuyama's crap have to do with Clash of Civilizations? Huntington's model rejected Fukuyama's BS about the inevitable triumph of capitalist "liberal democracy."

**bellson** · 10-10-2006, 04:33 AM

Christianity and Islam, from a religious standpoint, actually have a lot in common when it comes to their ideals

**bQXHsKzS** · 10-10-2006, 04:53 AM

Originally posted by Brachy-Pride
No, jesus was something like a hippy without the sex, while mohammed was more of a genghis khan during the unifying mongolian tribes period kind of guy.

**alanamosteller** · 10-10-2006, 05:29 AM

Originally posted by Dis
we could get rid of the hippies that way.

Hey!

**Donadoni1809** · 10-10-2006, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
I reject the premise.

**Gaxiciverfere** · 10-11-2006, 04:24 AM

The lesser of two evils - what will India choose?

- The hanging of all software engineers
- Nuclear strikes on all your cities

The lesser of two evils - what will America choose?

- The Republican Party
- Nuclear strikes on all your cities

The lesser of two evils - what will diners choose?

- Patty melt served with fries
- Nuclear strikes on all your cities

10-09-2006, 11:26 PM	#21
echocassidyde Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 407 Senior Member	Originally posted by Vince278 When it comes down to the West vs. Radical Islam I can tell you who will win: The side that has the greatest will and desire to commit genocide. Originally posted by MRT144 if america gets nuked the best thing to do is move on as best we can and not fall to the level of madness. we would lose more allies than gain enemies if we retaliate in kind. True. So we lose. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-09-2006, 11:30 PM	#22
hellencomstar Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 386 Senior Member	What the **** is the "West" anyways? By that statement, Brachy and I are both in "the West", but I certainly do not want to be in any way associated with his ideology, if it condones mass murder. And Aneesh would not be labelled "the West", but he sees himself as a fellow warrior against "Islam." Folks like AQ want this to be a battle of X vs. Islam. Anyone who buys into their crap has let them win in terms of setting the agenda. This is a war between modern political ideologies, which is what Islamism and Liberal democracy are. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-09-2006, 11:38 PM	#23
heennaRaf Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 504 Senior Member	And I don't consider Muslims my enemy, or Iraq, or any of that. I don't advocate nuking them..etc. I am not in favor of Iraq, (I use to be ambivlent towards it). But I guaruntee that some of the Al Quada types consider me to be their enemy. JM Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-09-2006, 11:41 PM	#24
peemovvie Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 561 Senior Member	No, as I said. I don't consider them my enemy. I don't behave as they are my enemy. I don't favor taking stands against them, etc. But yes, I do recognize that some want such a conflict to be occuring. You, and others in this thread, apparently want the conflict to be Christians versus Muslims.. since that would prove something to you. the Al Quada types wish to be Muslims versus the West.. or something. Just because I recognise others thoguht processes does not mean that I have those same ones myself. Give me a break here, I am not the person you wish to pigeon hole me as. Neither are a lot of other people. JM Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-09-2006, 11:45 PM	#25
lapInsalm Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 409 Senior Member	I'm far from being a Christian wacko and I'm not advocating genocide. I'm just telling it the way I see it if both sides don't learn how to back down and things go inevitably the way they're going. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-09-2006, 11:53 PM	#26
Endatrybeeddy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 354 Senior Member	Originally posted by Kuciwalker I'm not going to go all Jesus-like and turn the other cheek, GePap. If someone makes you their enemy there isn't that much you can do. There are plenty of things you can do, depending on the balance of power. If a guy twice my size decided to label me his enemy, the situation is fundamentally different from some three year old saying he is my enemy. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-09-2006, 11:57 PM	#27
enteltcheft Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 422 Senior Member	Sorry, but I have always had nothing but contempt for Huntington's little book, just as I did for Fukiyama's "End of History." Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-10-2006, 12:03 AM	#28
Nikkytas Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 378 Senior Member	Originally posted by Odin I suggest you read This book if you really believe that. The prob with Huntington is that what he describes as clash of civs and "cultural conflict" can be very well described as conflict of ideologies as well (certainly in the current conflict vs. radical islamism), so his belief that "the age of ideology had ended" is just too strongly focussed on the end of the cold war and the idea that afterwards there wouldn't be serious ideological conflicts anymore. I think today he wouldn't be so quick in announcing the end of the "age of ideology". Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-10-2006, 01:32 AM	#29
ButKnillinoi Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 495 Senior Member	Originally posted by MRT144 and if someone makes me their enemy i turn the other cheek. and im only slightly christian. more ethics than mystics. If they try to kill you? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-10-2006, 01:36 AM	#30
UnmariKam Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 494 Senior Member	If they try and kill me so be it. I will defend myself but I will not retaliate, or premptively defend myself by killing them. Theres a difference. Youre smart, and you know this. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-10-2006, 02:18 AM	#31
VFOVkZBj Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 411 Senior Member	Originally posted by GePap Sorry, but I have always had nothing but contempt for Huntington's little book, just as I did for Fukiyama's "End of History." What does Fukuyama's crap have to do with Clash of Civilizations? Huntington's model rejected Fukuyama's BS about the inevitable triumph of capitalist "liberal democracy." Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-10-2006, 04:33 AM	#32
bellson Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 471 Senior Member	Christianity and Islam, from a religious standpoint, actually have a lot in common when it comes to their ideals Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-10-2006, 04:53 AM	#33
bQXHsKzS Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 494 Senior Member	Originally posted by Brachy-Pride No, jesus was something like a hippy without the sex, while mohammed was more of a genghis khan during the unifying mongolian tribes period kind of guy. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-10-2006, 05:29 AM	#34
alanamosteller Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 404 Senior Member	Originally posted by Dis we could get rid of the hippies that way. Hey! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-10-2006, 07:14 PM	#35
Donadoni1809 Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 543 Senior Member	Originally posted by chegitz guevara I reject the premise. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-11-2006, 04:24 AM	#36
Gaxiciverfere Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 479 Senior Member	The lesser of two evils - what will India choose? - The hanging of all software engineers - Nuclear strikes on all your cities The lesser of two evils - what will America choose? - The Republican Party - Nuclear strikes on all your cities The lesser of two evils - what will diners choose? - Patty melt served with fries - Nuclear strikes on all your cities Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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