[WrigleyMike]

Nice.

[RafaelYV]

What a stupid gun.

[electmobile]

A shotgun is a staple of home defense. They're cheap, easy to use, and easy to get a hold of. Even lame countries generally let people own them, and they allow your typical tub o' guts to engage in ruthless vigilantism. AA-12s are just plain silly though. Shotgun shells are too heavy and bulky to make an automatic shotgun a practical weapon.

you did not watch the vid

[vigraxtru]

I did. It's a stupid, impractical gun.

lol

[Greactbet]

you did not watch the vid

I've seen the show before, and it doesn't say anything about shotgun shells suddenly being as light and easy to carry as rifle rounds. A soldier can carry a couple hundred rounds of 5.56 already loaded into magazines. How many of those AA-12 drums do you expect people to carry? Are folks supposed to stop fighting and reload the entire drum every other minute? The exploding shells aren't relevant. They're not heavy enough to meet the 400 gram minimum for exploding ammunition in wartime. Since they don't let us buy high explosive rounds as civilians, and since soldiers can't use them in war, they don't serve to make the gun any more practical.

[Oswczrdz]

It's like the desert eagle, only more illegal and somehow even more useless.

[Lapsinuibense]

I've seen the show before, and it doesn't say anything about shotgun shells suddenly being as light and easy to carry as rifle rounds. A soldier can carry a couple hundred rounds of 5.56 already loaded into magazines. How many of those AA-12 drums do you expect people to carry? Are folks supposed to stop fighting and reload the entire drum every other minute? The exploding shells aren't relevant. They're not heavy enough to meet the 400 gram minimum for exploding ammunition in wartime. Since they don't let us buy high explosive rounds as civilians, and since soldiers can't use them in war, they don't serve to make the gun any more practical.

I would still like to have one.

[joOEMcheapSOFTWARE]

Remington 1100 Nighthawk Tactical
$1640 w/o light
$1939 w/light




Mossberg Persuader (which I own) alternate pistol grip included
$300



The difference will buy a lot of shells.

[ambiddetcat]

Who the **** would want to raid your house?

xpost, but works for doc too

[famosetroie]

Who the **** would want to raid your house?

xpost, but works for doc too

nobody I hope

[LarpBulaBus]

I don't understand why you would want something so big unless you are also thinking of hunting, for killing thieves a sig sauer is enough

[Crilosajsamq]

I don't understand why you would want something so big unless you are also thinking of hunting, for killing thieves a sig sauer is enough

whole bunch of empty beer cans

[Adamanta]

$1939 w/ light vs. $1640 w/o light.

Hmmm... $300 bucks buys a lot of duct tape, mag lights , and batteries.

[Ccddfergt]

I don't know. Maybe http://www.dfwgun.com/ .

[Njxatsbf]

They're alright I guess. No strong feelings for or against.

[katespepach]

Thanks for the link.

Maybe I should ask this: for someone who is completely ignorant about firearms, where should I start? I want to be prepared for three weeks of training that focuses on the two guns I just mentioned.

If they're spending three weeks teaching you about Glocks and M16s, then you'll probably be fine going in ass ignorant. You might want to go to a range and fire off any old gun, just to get the first time jitters out of the way.

[choollaBard]

If they're spending three weeks teaching you about Glocks and M16s, then you'll probably be fine going in ass ignorant. You might want to go to a range and fire off any old gun, just to get the first time jitters out of the way.

Thanks, I'll try that.

[RayFairhurst]

FPS RUSSIA!

His videos are great.

[Erunsenef]

You don't even realize what a silly question you've asked? WHY would you solicit the opinion on where to start from someone who hasn't started?
Are you going to ask Al about sexual techniques next?

Well, given you comparison shopped those shotguns for us, it isn't the worst guess he could have made.

[huedaanydrax]

THIS!

Originally Posted by Riesstiu IV
Thanks for the link.

Maybe I should ask this: for someone who is completely ignorant about firearms, where should I start? I want to be prepared for three weeks of training that focuses on the two guns I just mentioned. EDIT: Oh, wait. It just dawned on me. I thought you were thanking me for the link and then soliciting advice from anyone who didn't know. Sorry.
There's no use trying out a gun of which you have no interest. It doesn't matter. Try the weapon of which you have an interest. Some gun range can accomodate you.
It's just another part of shopping.