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I don't like them.
My brother was almost attacked by one. We were visiting friends and their dog was well treated and they were ideal dog owners [all that you hear about it's the owner that makes the difference is bunk]. He was watching TV and found himself alone with the dog when suddenly it was growling at him. He screamed for the owners, who came in and took the dog away. He could have been a statistic.... |
OT: The US Marines chose working Dobermans as their 'Devil Dogs' in the Pacific during WWII, and for good reason - with the courage they possess* they are very well suited to the task.
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Regarding the Kenneling part. While I truly love my dogs with every breathing breath, they are working dogs. I'm spending a lot of time and money training them and their focus must be on ME. Trust me when I say this, dogs have much more fun with other dogs than with humans. So to keep them focused you kennel them and remove the desire for interaction with dogs. It sounds screwed up but it's really not. Also I fucked up with Enzo and allowed him to play with my other dogs. He was kenneled until until he was about 6 months old when I wasn't home in a 12x12 pen and when I got home he was allowed to play with me and everyone. Apparently my old female rottie terrorized him when I wasn't home and then she passed when he was about 8 months old. I never knew that until the first time we were doing a test run for his behavioral test and the women that was going to trial with me had a rottie and he flipped out, wanted to kill the rottie and was reactionary towards me. YES, dogs will remember a breed or look. Also keep in mind, Enzo and Shelby aren't neutered. They both come from different lines, so I can't have an "accident" happen, and she actually came into heat on Monday, so Enzo and her are fricken pisses me off right now. Someday, I think what we'll do is have an out cross with her and Enzo just because his genetics and hers are damn nice, but we first have to line breed her which will probably happen on her next heat cycle because we've already got 11 puppies and we want exceptional homes for them. So next March puppies from Shelby and maybe this time next year an Enzo Shelby breeding. Now I didn't recognize some of this hierarchy shit that these monkeys do. But if you take the time to watch this video. This was when Enzo was 16 WEEKS old. You'll see Indy being the mom, and my rottie Jinx completely avoiding him. I also think there are a few things in play here. I found Jinx on the 605 and 10 freeway completely emaciated. Ribs showing, the whole nine yards, we don't know old she was but I'm guessing 2, regardless, I had her for 10 years. So when the puppy showed up she was an old woman. Probably joint pain, thinking about OMG there's another mouth to feed, this punk is crazy, because she'd never experienced a crazy puppy. You probably didn't know this but two males rarely fight to the death, and a male will allow a female to kick the living shit out of him, and females that aren't neutered will fight to the death. So let me ask you a question Osiris. Am I being a dick, or just looking out for the welfare of my dogs? BTW, when I leave a crate open, Enzo will go into one on his own and fall asleep, it's a safe place for them. |
Having had only small dogs all of my life, I have pretty much been afraid of all big dogs. Lab, standard poodle, pit bull, boxer, dalmatian, irish setter, mutt . . . it doesn't matter. I look at their mouths and think, "OK, you can bite my face off", whereas my dogs can maybe draw blood from someone's finger. (I realize there are advantages to having a larger breed.)
Even though I am not that comfortable with larger breeds, I have spent time with boxers, labs and pit bulls that were the pets of friends. They've all been super gentle and sweet. My vet and vet tech say that the most vicious dogs they come across are cocker spaniels, just as a side note. I've met a few of those and they seem like really dumb, super loving dogs to me. I think there is validity with regard to who is raising them, and how they are treated and trained. What those dogs did to that car in the OP is freakin' scary! Seriously. It may be in the media because it is sensational, but it is . . . sensational! |
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There are several types of dogs and let me make 3 categories. 1 - Dog one, works for pleasing the owner 2 - Dog two, works for pleasing himself 3 - Dog three, doesn't know shit and is confused all the time There are four drives that we work with. There are probably more but these are the ones I work understand. 1 - Aggression 2 - Defense 3 - Prey 4 - Defense/fear Enzo is in category 2, he's a fucking punk. He's at training to please himself. And this next Saturday is going to be come to Jesus time. And it's completely MY fault that he's this way. But he works in 2 drives, aggression and prey. This is why Schutzhund and working dog sports are so fucking key to producing dogs that love and kiss the baby, and will die protecting it, you, your family and be the "meat shield", that gives you time to survive. Here's his FIRST session in schutzhung and me the noob completely unaware of what I know now. This is from December 2010. This whole play, from barking and biting is from getting the prey drive into everything else we're doing. So I venture to guess after a bunch of typing, the owner is probably a dickhead. Probably someone the didn't need to exist. . |
I always liked this saying from the Basque people.
1 dog, 1 dog 2 dogs, 1 dog 3 dogs , no dog The Basque around here are sheep herders. |
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Osiris, it's transitioning the dog from prey. Why do dogs chase cats, etc.? It's their genetic drive, survival, food. What you saw there was that Enzo couldn't get the prey until he got involved. The transition was making him do what we wanted. Until he barked the prey wouldn't move, then you transition barking makes the rabbit run it makes the sleeve move. However, if Enzo didn't have the genetics for even have prey drive, he would have just become a pet and I wouldn't even try to explain this stuff
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History of the Pit Bull
http://www.pitbull411.com/history.html The American Pit Bull Terrier is a wonderful dog, well-known for its intelligence, strength, and loyalty. In recent years, the breed has been unfairly villanized as overly aggressive and dangerous. While the pit bull does indeed possess a feisty and spirited character, the history of the breed reveals a much more complex tapestry of temperament and personality. http://www.pitbull411.com/images/history/molossi.jpgLike many modern breeds, it is impossible to be completely sure of the details of the American Pit Bull Terrier's long history. However, many pit bull enthusiasts believe the origins of the breed can be traced back to antiquity and the Molossian family of dogs. The Molossian family of dogs bears the name of the people with whom they were most often associated - the Molossi tribe, a group of people who lived in ancient Greece and favored the use of robust, muscular dogs in warfare. Officially termed canus molossi (dogs of the Molossi), these animals were reknowned for their fierceness, and for their innate ability to intimidate the enemies of the tribe. During this same time period, it is also believed that the Molossian dogs were used for other purposes. In fact, early Phoenician traders may even have used the Molossians as a bargaining item in their commercial transactions. http://www.pitbull411.com/images/history/pugnace.jpg The Molossians gave rise to another family of dogs known as the Mastiffs. The early Britons employed a variation of the Mastiffs as pugnaces - fighting dogs that could be used in either a guardianship or warfare capacity. When the Roman emperor Claudius defeated the Briton Chief Caractacus in 50 AD, the powerful pugnaces piqued his interest. He quickly seized on the opportunity and began exporting select quantities of the dogs back home to satiate his countrymen's appetite for entertainment in the arenas and coliseums of Rome. Once in Rome, the British dogs were crossbred with their Roman counterparts. From the years 50 AD to 410 AD, the breed was widely disseminated throughout the Roman Empire for use as fighting dogs. Along the way they mixed with other indigenous breeds throughout Europe, creating a genetic melting pot for the bulldogs that are thought to have been the immediate antecedents of the American Pit Bull Terrier. http://www.pitbull411.com/images/his...ll_baiting.jpg Sadly, the Romans would not be the last to use pit bulls in cruel and grisly blood sports. When the Normans invaded England in 1066, they introduced a new sport called baiting. Interestingly enough, baiting originated with butchers who kept dogs (called Bullenbeissers) to handle unruly bulls as they were herded to the market for slaughter. When a bull stepped out of line or exhibited uncontrollable behavior, the dogs would clamp down on its nose and simply hang on until the handler could regain control of the wayward animal. Like most dog owners, the butchers were proud of their canine companions and their stubborn tenacity in dealing with the much larger, and potentially dangerous bulls. Consequently, pubic displays were arranged to showcase the dogs' abilities and, quite frankly, to appease the multitudes that attended baiting events for their entertainment value. By the 16th century, nearly every town in England had its own baiting ring. The popularity of baiting events was unparalleled at the time, as was their ability to draw spectators from every level of society. Their popularity was further enhanced by the misguided perception that prolonged torture ensured the tenderness of the meat. In baiting events, no more than one or two dogs were unleashed on the bull. They were trained to unrelentingly harass the bulls until they collapsed from fatigue, their injuries, or both. These episodes lasted for prolonged periods, sometimes as long as three or four hours. Eventually, the public's grew bored with bulls and introduced a creative flair to the sport, baiting dogs with bears, boars, horses, and even monkeys! http://www.pitbull411.com/images/history/alaunt.jpg In 1406, Edmond de Langley - the Duke of York - produced a short treatise for Henry IV entitled, "The Master of the Game and of Hawks." In it, he described a descendent of the ancient Mastiffs that he called the "Alaunt", the most commonly used baiting dog of the era. A 1585 painting of the Alaunts hunting wild boar portrayed lean, muscular animals with profound similarities to the dogs we know as pit bulls. Baiting was made illegal by the British parliament in 1835. However, this legislation did little to satiate the public's desire to watch the spectacle of dogs in fighting sports. As a result, their attention turned to a variety of other pursuits such as ratting - a practice in which a dog was thrown in a pit with a varying number of rats. The dogs raced against the clock and each other to determine which one could kill the most rats in the shortest period of time. The "pit" in pit bulls comes from the fact that ratting occurred in a pit that kept the rats from escaping. Ultimately the public's fickle gaze fell on the sport of dog fighting, primarily because it could be more easily hidden from the prying eyes of the law than baiting and other fighting sports. Since dog fighting required smaller and more agile animals than the ones that were used in baiting, fighting bulldogs were bred with terriers who were known for their feistiness and indefatigable focus. The result was the bull-and-terrier, more commonly known as the first pit bull terrier - a muscular, canine gladiator bred specifically for combat with other dogs. http://www.pitbull411.com/images/his...ighting_sm.jpg As you can imagine, dog fighting was an extremely cruel and sadistic pursuit. The canine combatants were put through a rigorous training process depriving them of normal contact with humans and instilling in them an intense desire to spill the blood of their opponents. It was not unusual for these dogs to be fed a diet of blood and raw meat, and to be kept in complete darkness apart from the few hours a day they spent training with their handlers. To further enhance the dogs' eagerness for the kill, handlers forced them to run on a stationary treadmill with a weaker animal in front of them, but just out of reach. At the end of the exercise, the dogs were allowed to kill the animal as their reward. During the course of a dog fight, the dogs were expected to fearlessly hurl themselves at their opponents without flinching or hesitation. If a dog turned away, it was viewed as a weakness and could be grounds for forfeit. Even if the hesitant animal was lucky enough to survive the encounter, he was still not out of the woods. Many handlers killed their own dogs because they believed a dog that hesitated even once could no longer be relied on to fight with the verve and tenacity the sport required. http://www.pitbull411.com/images/history/hunting.jpg When English immigrants came to America, their dogs came with them. Not surprisingly, dog fighting was common in America throughout the 19th century. However, as the immigrants traveled west, the pit bull took on a broader and more humane function. On the frontier, pit bulls assumed the role of an all-purpose dog. In addition to herding cattle and sheep they served as faithful guardians, protecting families and livestock from the ever-present threat of thieves and wild animals. Despite their gallant history, pit bulls faced an uphill battle in gaining official recognition. The American Kennel Club was formed in 1884 for the sole purpose of promoting the interests of purebred dogs and their owners. To accomplish this, they sponsored events designed to test various breeds in the areas of performance and conformation. Conformation events judge the dogs according to the breed standard - a pre-established set of guidelines that describe the most-highly valued physical characteristics of each breed. Performance events, on the other hand, test the dogs according to the function for which they were bred. Some of the more common performance categories include the working, sporting, and herding categories. The performance events created an immediate problem for the pit bull since the function for which they were bred - fighting - was illegal. Furthermore, the AKC understandably refused to remotely endorse anything related to dog fighting. In response to the AKC's unwillingness to include pit bulls as a bonafide breed, in 1898 an alternative group was formed - the UKC (United Kennel Club). The purpose of the UKC was to certify breeds that were not eligible for certification by the AKC. Not surprisingly, the UKC's charter member was the American Pit Bull Terrier. Ultimately the AKC did recognize the pit bull in 1936, albeit under the designation of the Staffordshire Terrier, named after the region of England where the crossbreeding of bulldogs and terriers is thought to have begun. Today, the AKC continues to include the American Staffordshire Terrier in its registry, although ironically this has now developed into a breed that is distinct from its American Pit Bull Terrier cousin. http://www.pitbull411.com/images/history/stubby.jpg Over the years, the American Pit Bull Terrier has been a beloved symbol of Americana. In World War I, a pit bull named Stubby captured the heart of the nation. Stubby was the unofficial mascot of the 102nd Infantry Division and was credited with saving the lives of several of his human comrades. For his valiant service, Stubby won several medals and was even awarded the rank of sergeant! He came home from the war to a hero's welcome and went on to become the mascot for Georgetown University. Over the years, many famous Americans have owned pit bulls. Mark Twain, Theodore Roosevelt, Laura Ingalls Wilder, Thomas Edison, Woodrow Wilson, John Steinbeck, Helen Keller, and Fred Astaire have all been proud to own dogs of this breed. The actor Ken Howard (the father on the TV show Crossing Jordan) even credits his pit bull with saving his life. Pit bulls have crept in the hearts of Americans through a variety of ways. For years, RCA recording company looked to a pit bull as its corporate logo. Similarly, Buster Brown Shoes used a pit bull as the cornerstone of their marketing campaign. But, perhaps the most famous pit bull was Petey, the adorable ring-eyed cutey featured on the TV show Little Rascals. In no time at all, Petey secured a place alongside Alfalfa, Spanky, and the other rascals as a national treasure. A little known fact about Petey is that his telltale ring actually changed form one eye to the next between seasons of the TV show. Although no one knows for sure why this happened, it is rumored that the original Petey was poisoned and was replaced by a look-a-like, or at least a look-a-like with markings that necessitated the eye change. Today, the American Pit Bull Terrier is a beloved animal that is used in a variety of helping functions in society including police dogs, search dogs, therapy dogs, and farm dogs. Even so, negative publicity has led many cities to condemn them as a community problem. This perception has been supported by the prevalence of illegal dog fighting in cities and small towns across America. In recent years, gangs have taken a fancy to dog fighting and elevated the ownership of trained fighting dogs as a status symbol. Pit bulls have born the brunt of the backlash because of their popularity with dog fighters. This has caused the public to demand legislative action against pit bulls. Yielding to the pressure of their constituents, public officials have banned pit bulls in many civil jurisdictions and others are following suit including insurance companies who reserve the right to cancel a homeowner's policy if it is learned that a pit bull resides on the premises. The negative treatment of pit bulls in our society is unfortunate to say the least. Pit bulls and people can live harmoniously if given the chance. Training is an important consideration in pit bull ownership. The history of the breed demonstrates that unless he is properly trained and socialized at a young age, this strong-minded dog will quickly attempt to dominate the household. However, with the proper training the American Pit Bull Terrier can be a remarkably loyal and valued member of the family. Sources Consulted:
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Sorry guys but the Pit Bull is the most decorated dog in War history....
Sergeant Stubby - Sergeant Stubby (1916 or 1917 – March 16, 1926), was the most decorated war dog of World War I and the only dog to be promoted to sergeant through combat. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergeant_Stubby http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ant_Stubby.jpgEarly life America's first war dog, Stubby, served 18 months 'over there' and participated in seventeen battles on the Western Front. He saved his regiment from surprise mustard gas attacks, located and comforted the wounded, and even once caught a German spy by the seat of his pants. Back home his exploits were front page news of every major newspaper. Stubby's breed was unknown, as no one ever discovered where he hailed from originally. One day he appeared at Yale Field in New Haven, Connecticut; while a group of soldiers were training, stopping to make friends with soldiers as they drilled. One soldier, Corporal Robert Conroy, developed a fondness for the dog. When it became time for the outfit to ship out, Conroy hid Stubby on board the troop ship. Cesar Millan, the dog whisperer, has an article about this dog on his website, titled "Famous Pit Bulls."[1] Military service http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ok-new.svg.png This section does not cite any references or sources. (March 2012) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...t_Stubby_3.jpg http://bits.wikimedia.org/static-1.2...gnify-clip.png Sergeant Stubby wearing his uniform and medals Stubby served with the 102nd Infantry, 26th (Yankee) Division in the trenches in France for 18 months and participated in four offensives and 17 battles. He entered combat on February 5, 1918 at Chemin des Dames, north of Soissons, and was under constant fire, day and night for over a month. In April 1918, during a raid to take Schieprey, Stubby was wounded in the foreleg by the retreating Germans throwing hand grenades. He was sent to the rear for convalescence, and as he had done on the front was able to improve morale. When he recovered from his wounds, Stubby returned to the trenches. After being gassed himself, Stubby learned to warn his unit of poison gas attacks, located wounded soldiers in no man's land, and — since he could hear the whine of incoming artillery shells before humans could — became very adept at letting his unit know when to duck for cover. He was solely responsible for capturing a German spy in the Argonne. Following the retaking of Château-Thierry by the US, the thankful women of the town made Stubby a chamois coat on which were pinned his many medals. There is also a legend that while in Paris with Corporal Conroy, Stubby saved a young girl from being hit by a car. At the end of the war, Conroy smuggled Stubby home. After the war http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...y_Memorial.jpg http://bits.wikimedia.org/static-1.2...gnify-clip.png Sergeant Stubby's brick at the WWI Memorial After returning home, Stubby became a celebrity and marched in, and normally led, many parades across the country. He met Presidents Woodrow Wilson, Calvin Coolidge, and Warren G. Harding. Starting in 1921, he attended Georgetown University Law Center with Conroy, and became the Georgetown Hoyas' team mascot. He would be given the football at halftime and would nudge the ball around the field to the amusement of the fans. Stubby was made a life member of the American Legion, the Red Cross, and the YMCA. In 1921, the Humane Education Society awarded him a special gold medal for service to his country. It was presented by General John Pershing.[citation needed] In 1926, Stubby died in Conroy's arms. His remains are featured in The Price of Freedom: Americans at War exhibit at the Smithsonian. Stubby was honored with a brick in the Walk of Honor at the United States World War I monument, Liberty Memorial, in Kansas City at a ceremony held on Armistice Day, November 11, 2006. Medals and Awards
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The Truth about Pit Bulls
http://www.dontbullymybreed.org/ The American Pit Bull Terrier was the most popular family dog in the beginning of the 20th century. What happened? How did this breed become so maligned and misunderstood? http://www.dontbullymybreed.org/imag...og_doll-T4.jpg http://www.dontbullymybreed.org/images/toddler-T4.jpg http://www.dontbullymybreed.org/imag...rls_dog-T4.jpg http://www.dontbullymybreed.org/images/bethesda1-T4.jpg http://www.dontbullymybreed.org/imag...htAfter-T4.jpg http://www.dontbullymybreed.org/images/sailorboy-T4.jpg http://www.dontbullymybreed.org/images/woman6891-T4.jpg More at link..... |
People are freaking clueless and the media has a hard on for sensationalizing the 'evil pit bull'. I got a silver dollar that says the breeds actually involved in the OP weren't even pit bulls but some terrier mix.
There is no such thing as a bad dog, only shitty people. Even a 'bad dog' can be rehabilitated with about a month's worth of proper care. |
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I don't care what breed of dog a person has. The owner of the dog should be held responsible for whatever damage they cause to another person or their property. Where I am their is a leash law that says any dog that's not on a leash or off the owners property can be shot. Many are shot for harassing livestock. If you've got a mean dog that likes to bite people whether they are strangers or not the owner needs to be held accountable for whatever they do. Maybe some jail time for assault for the owner when a dog bites someone just the same as if the owner bit someone and would be held accountable.
Dog owners always claim their dogs are sweet, kind and gentle and wouldn't attack or harass people, wildlife or livestock. I know firsthand that's bullshit. If someone is going to own a dog they need to take full responsibility for whatever their dog does. |
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