[SaamanthaSterlyng]

' Johnson pulled a .45 caliber gun on the approaching police officers but it not clear if he actually shot any rounds as police opened fire on him, Kelly said.

Nine people were wounded or grazed in the crossfire, Kelly said.

"Some may have been accidentally shot by police officers," Kelly said. '

[Poothevokprot]

Now its getting turned into a jewish thing (NY):
http://muckrack.com/topic/Hazan%20Imports



Jane Eisner

Jewish Daily Forward — Editor Bio: Editor of The Forward
Beats: Opinion and Editorial, Metro New York

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Oy vey!!! It can't be!!! Maybe the gunman was........anti-semitic?!?!? Oy vey!

[Vedun*]

Oy vey!!! It can't be!!! Maybe the gunman was........anti-semitic?!?!? Oy vey!

Aren't most crimes in NYC anti-semitic...doesn't everyone there work for Jews?
You can't swing a dead cat (or fire a .45) without hitting one.

[Poothevokprot]

Aren't most crimes in NYC anti-semitic...doesn't everyone there work for Jews?
You can't swing a dead cat (or fire a .45) without hitting one.

That's no excuse!!!!! Shame on you!!! Holocaust!!! Holocaust!!!

[Poothevokprot]

Bloomberg should choke on this:

Gun Ownership Mandatory In Kennesaw, Georgia
Crime Rate Plummets

by Chuck Baldwin
The New American magazine reminds us that March 25th marked the 16th anniversary of Kennesaw, Georgia's ordinance requiring heads of households (with certain exceptions) to keep at least one firearm in their homes.

The city's population grew from around 5,000 in 1980 to 13,000 by 1996 (latest available estimate). Yet there have been only three murders: two with knives (1984 and 1987) and one with a firearm (1997). After the law went into effect in 1982, crime against persons plummeted 74 percent compared to 1981, and fell another 45 percent in 1983 compared to 1982.

And it has stayed impressively low. In addition to nearly non-existent homicide (murders have averaged a mere 0.19 per year), the annual number of armed robberies, residential burglaries, commercial burglaries, and rapes have averaged, respectively, 1.69, 31.63, 19.75, and 2.00 through 1998.

With all the attention that has been heaped upon the lawful possession of firearms lately, you would think that a city that requires gun ownership would be the center of a media feeding frenzy. It isn't. The fact is I can't remember a major media outlet even mentioning Kennesaw. Can you?

The reason is obvious. Kennesaw proves that the presence of firearms actually improves safety and security. This is not the message that the media want us to hear. They want us to believe that guns are evil and are the cause of violence.

The facts tell a different story. What is even more interesting about Kennesaw is that the city's crime rate decreased with the simple knowledge that the entire community was armed. The bad guys didn't force the residents to prove it. Just knowing that residents were armed prompted them to move on to easier targets. Most criminals don't have a death wish.

There have been two occasions in my own family when the presence of a handgun averted potential disaster. In both instances the gun was never aimed at a person and no shot was fired.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1818862/posts

[Adamdjeffe]

The ONLY reason this is being splashed across the media is because it was a 'mass shooting' - which just happened to be at the hands of some apparently poorly trained* dimwitted donut munchers. Otherwise there would have been only one casualty, the initial victim (and possibly two, i.e. the shooter), and it would not have been 'news' outside of Joo York Shitty.

*someone using their head could have taken down the shooter without any 'collateral damage', however this is inherently beyond the capability of trained monkeys

[Quigoxito]

Anytime someone suggests banning EVERY GUN, I ask them if they intend to ban police guns, too. Obviously, they say no. Then I call them hypocritical.

[kubekniekubek]

Cops pretty much remind me of a bunch of monkeys fucking a football.

Cops Shoot Bystanders in Midtown New York

UPDATE #5 (8 p.m.) The Guardian with first complaint by one of those shot--man accuses police of shooting "randomly" and not aiming carefully. "I could be dead," he says. ... NYT with separate story on the police decision to fire and policy. Raises questions. Hard to tell if reporters actually saw surveillance video or taking police words on it--should be more clear.

UPDATE #4 My new post on NYPD policy on use of "deadly force." Did cops violate it today? ... WNBC top report at 6 p.m. repeats "shootout" claim twice within first two minutes and says unknown if gunman fired and if cops hit bystanders. WABC says heroic cops prevented more mayhem when in fact the gunman was walking away with gun in bag and he had accomplished his mission of shooting foe. .. NYT update now includes police claim that suspect "may" have fired one shot at copsbut admit bystanders all shot by police. NY Daily News, which had earlier promoted the "gun battle" meme, now reports, "It appears Johnson never squeezed off a shot at the cops."

UPDATE #3 Media continue to give NY cops slack on shooting today. One wonders if they would do that if, say, police bullets had killed three bystanders instead of merely wounding nine. Here's the current AP story which still refers to maybe "some" of bystanders being hit by cops when it's clear now that all of them were (the gunman, Johnson, did not fire weapon in the "gun battle"). It says there's still "conflicting" evidence on whether Johnson shot, with the only conflict being the police chief claiming that at first. And it swallows whole police claim that video (unseen) shows Johnson pointing gun at cops at close range. What's needed: cell phone footage of actual "shootout" shot by the many folks nearby.

UPDATE #2: As I suggested earlier, NYT has now confirmed--though they bury the fact--that the gunman, Jeffrey Johnson, indeed did not fire his weapon at cops, and both Bloomberg and Commissioner Kelly lied about it, apparently.NYT: Bloomberg and Kelly said cops "returned fire" but: "A law enforcement official said later on Friday that Mr. Johnson did not fire his weapon."

My quick check of current media reports show nearly everyone still referring to "shootout" or police "returning fire" or "taking fire." Here's NY Daily News right now: "Two officers fired 14 rounds at Johnson from about five feet away after the gunman started blasting without provocation, officials said." Bloomberg News calls it a "firefight." NY Post right now: "cops on anti-terror patrol drew their weapons on Johnson and he opened fire." The Guardian says it's now "understood" that the gunman did not fire at cops but still says some of the wounded "may" have been hit by police fire.

UPDATE: Police now say they fired 14 shots in all. Channel 7 local TV at hospital: Victims' families asking if police shot their loved one.

Earlier: Mayor Mike Bloomberg's press conference on NYC shooting today in front of Empire State Building, just over, raising troubling questions for me--if not for reporters, who did not query strongly. He disclosed that nine bystanders were struck, likely at least some, "unfortunately," by police fire. It's even possible that all of them were shot by police since Bloomberg would not say anything more than the police were "threatened" when the man drew a gun from a black bag or briefcase--does not say he actually fired. Given a couple chances to claim there was a gunfight, he remained vague--even though Police Commissioner Kelly had just said flatly that cops "returned fire."

This raises question--at least for me--on what is NYC police policy on opening fire in midtown at rush hour. Six taken to hospitals. The gunman killed, after he killed former employer. Ashley Banfield on CNN afterward did mention that there would be a lot of "forensic" work coming to nail down where the bullets came from. She points out gunman's handgun only held eight bullets at most. But first guest on MSNBC insists on calling it "shootout"--which it might, or might not, have been. CNN reporter on the scenes calls the nine bystanders "collateral damage."

Earlier this month, police shot and killed a homeless man in midtown who was carrying a large knife--and this scene was captured by many locals and tourists armed with cell phone cameras. Wonder if anyone caught today's episode in prime tourist area.

How police will be judged will be based on when police opened fire: 1) if he reached for gun in black bag 2) if he pulled out gun and pointed it 3) if he actually fired at police. What seems clear from reports is that he had eight bullets in the gun at most and used three of them in shooting his former employer or colleague. Jury out until video--official or amateur--emerges.

[Chiquita]

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?63169-Shooting-in-NY

[kubekniekubek]

So here's my take.

The guy got fired, puts 3 bullets in the head of his ex-boss

Cops show up, fire 14 rounds and hit 9 people.

Conclusion - Original shooter nice shooting, cops, horrible shooting. On a side note, the ex-boss is probably a jew and the shooter is gay, he was designing woman's handbags.

[Adamdjeffe]

Fucking cowardly trained monkeys who are unable to calmly draw a bead under stress. (so much for being 'a professional' lol) Pathetic. And dangerous to those around them.

I watched the video - the way they confronted him was the epitome of just plain stupid. The two cops were within a few feet of each other (actually both in the shooter's line of fire!), rushing the guy and yelling at him. I'm not 'trained as a professional LEO' and even I know better than that. lol

[eropiereetuekm]

Yet nobody cries out for "Cop Control"!

[Adamdjeffe]

So here's my take.

The guy got fired, puts 3 bullets in the head of his ex-boss

Cops show up, fire 14 rounds and hit 9 people.

Conclusion - Original shooter nice shooting, cops, horrible shooting. On a side note, the ex-boss is probably a jew and the shooter is gay, he was designing woman's handbags.

Report is that the shooter had a Star .45 pistol (single stack mag) which he purchased himself in Fla. in '90 or '91, and he supposedly shot the victim five times. This doesn't leave much ammo for a 'shootout with the police' even if he had a spare mag. So much for Joo York Shitty gun laws being effective.

[Adamdjeffe]

Video here - http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/08/...tate-building/

[BronUVT]

And they aren't even friendlies.

[Adamdjeffe]

You can bet that we won't hear a single peep out of the corporate media asking why there were so many casualties.

[BronUVT]

They must've emptied their clips too fast...



"Muscle memory"

[kubekniekubek]

Here's the hooked nosed jew Bloomberg lying his fucking ass off, and that POS police chief using words like "semiautomatic" and shit like that. Hell, in the right hands a 44 revolver could do WAYYYY more damn in the hands of someone that know WTF they're doing. This is a complete and utter fuck up by the shit bags from NYPD and now it's DUCK AND COVER time, or lie and deflect time.

[DenisLevvin]

The shooters need to be taken care of, just like anyone else with a gun. If everyone had a gun this shit just wouldn't be possible.

[selayeffethy]

The shooters need to be taken care of, just like anyone else with a gun. If everyone had a gun this shit just wouldn't be possible.

I'm an ardent supporter of arming everybody--except the police, who obviously don't know how to use their guns properly. All of us have the same authority to make arrests as the police do. Yet the police think they have a monopoly on using guns. Those who don't wish to carry guns, should at least carry handcuffs, or tasers or pepper spray to assist the armed people in making arrests. We could have a much politer society if this was the case.


Hatha