[tabcdyop]

You really don't have a clue as to the difference between legal and lawful do you?

So perhaps you would like to describe your successes in the realm of property tax abatement?

You havent provided any evidence usury has anything to do with legal and or lawful Palani.
So far all you have said Palani is your "hearsay" opinion based on someone elses opinionated interpretation.
"Hearsay" as you and I both know doesnt do very well in court as proof.
Any success in abatement of property taxes is going to pivot on getting the property off the county tax assessors registery.
This means you are going to have to understand what got the property on the assessors registery in the first place.
This means having to go to the state statutes which lead you to the federal level........federal statutes.
When or if you decide to do some real research you are going to find it revolves around a particular 2nd class, 14th amendment citizenship (political rhelm) and not some land patent.
As far history and law is concerned nobody but the white caucasion class can own land outright.
This is why there are statutes such as 42usc 1983 on the books that are still in existence today.

[Snuddyentaine]

Ponce,

Does that mean those 12 other land owners are no longer paying property taxes?

That is right and is a PROVENT fact, they no longer pay land tax but only "improvement" tax.....that something that I will remedy pretty soon.

Four kits of "how to" went out today, the one that asked for today will go out in about three days no need to payme anything....the one that wanted it in his email? cannot do it because is has to go in a certain order which I can only do it by slow snail (mail)

Remember folks that I am not an attorney but only using the model that did work for me....it should be the same everywhere .........but.......who knows.......better to try and fail that not to try and never know..... they will tell you that you cannot do it.....but.....if that happens then let me know about it......just be sure to do as instructed by THE GREAT THE ONLY ONE.......Ponce hahahahahahahahah.

At this time I am helping 6 on line and 3 in my home town.....remember, Oct 8 will be "D" day for me

[tabcdyop]

That is right and is a PROVENT fact, they no longer pay land tax but only "improvement" tax.....that something that I will remedy pretty soon.

Four kits of "how to" went out today, the one that asked for today will go out in about three days no need to payme anything....the one that wanted it in his email? cannot do it because is has to go in a certain order which I can only do it by slow snail (mail)

Remember folks that I am not an attorney but only using the model that did work for me....it should be the same everywhere .........but.......who knows.......better to try and fail that not to try and never know..... they will tell you that you cannot do it.....but.....if that happens then let me know about it......just be sure to do as instructed by THE GREAT THE ONLY ONE.......Ponce hahahahahahahahah.

At this time I am helping 6 on line and 3 in my home town.....remember, Oct 8 will be "D" day for me

I really hope it works for you Ponce....I'm rooting for you even though I dont think its going to work.
Just having an improvement tax isnt success!

[Nfvzjvcl]

You havent provided any evidence usury has anything to do with legal and or lawful

Here is some hearsay:

Exodus 22:25
If thou lend money to any of my people that is poor by thee, thou shalt not be to him as an usurer, neither shalt thou lay upon him usury.

Leviticus 25:36
Take thou no usury of him, or increase: but fear thy God; that thy brother may live with thee.

Leviticus 25:37
Thou shalt not give him thy money upon usury, nor lend him thy victuals for increase.

Deuteronomy 23:19
Thou shalt not lend upon usury to thy brother; usury of money, usury of victuals, usury of any thing that is lent upon usury:

Deuteronomy 23:20
Unto a stranger thou mayest lend upon usury; but unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon usury: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all that thou settest thine hand to in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

Nehemiah 5:7
Then I consulted with myself, and I rebuked the nobles, and the rulers, and said unto them, Ye exact usury, every one of his brother. And I set a great assembly against them.

Nehemiah 5:10
I likewise, and my brethren, and my servants, might exact of them money and corn: I pray you, let us leave off this usury.

Psalm 15:5
He that putteth not out his money to usury, nor taketh reward against the innocent. He that doeth these things shall never be moved.

Proverbs 28:8
He that by usury and unjust gain increaseth his substance, he shall gather it for him that will pity the poor.

Isaiah 24:2
And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him.

Ezekiel 18:13
Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him.

Ezekiel 18:17
That hath taken off his hand from the poor, that hath not received usury nor increase, hath executed my judgments, hath walked in my statutes; he shall not die for the iniquity of his father, he shall surely live.

Ezekiel 22:12
In thee have they taken gifts to shed blood; thou hast taken usury and increase, and thou hast greedily gained of thy neighbours by extortion, and hast forgotten me, saith the Lord GOD.

I reiterate. Usury is ANY increase and is not lawful. Usury is EXCESSIVE increase and is legal. The two words (the first "usury" and the second "usury") are similar but not the same. Legal has not the same effect as lawful.

You apparently rely on a different book of Law than I do. I will consult the U.S. code and question it while you appear to consult it and rely on it.

[sciectotacype17]

Up in post #5 in this thread, I included a link to Augustus Blackstone's Errant Sovereign. He covers all of the questions I've read in this thread. It's in Chapter 11 (what a coincidence) from p. 67-74. Anybody who's serious about this might find it valuable to read his information, or, perhaps ask Ponce for a 'kit' because he's working from the result of local experience with this process. Blackstone also says that it is more practical to get a land patent on rural land than on urban land.

I rely on the same law form as Palani does--which is Natural law, or English Common Law, based on customs and practices of the people, and on God's law--which comes from the bible. That law form defines what is lawful. This is the law our parents teach us, and what we learn in sunday school and in church. Statutory law is man's law. It defines what is legal. And badly. It makes something that is unlawful, such as usury legal. Some men want that because it makes them rich at the expense of all other men. It allows them to break God's law, legally (no pun intended). Statutory law sucks. It has the color of law, but not the substance. You do not feel it in your heart or soul. It makes injustice a norm. It is what Jesus Christ rebelled against. And it is what rules our lives today. The only redemption we have is that it requires our consent to enforce such laws. We can escape the jurisdiction of statutory laws by denying it jurisdiction--that is denying our consent to its enforcement. We need too often to protect ourselves from those who do unlawful things legally, like charging us interest.

Blackstone's book linked above tells us how to avoid the most commonly despised statutory 'laws', such as paying property tax, and income tax, and having to register our automoblies, or being forced to carry a 'driver's license'. He even tells you how to get out of Social Security, if you think that is practical for you.

I am starting to understand jurisdiction better. I've been watching YT videos by Dean Clifford--a Canadian, who makes it abundantly clear what 'jurisdiction' is. It's your choice of law form. If you only consent to be judged under Common Law, then none of the statutes apply to you. The system will try to trap you into being a 'subject' (rather than a sovereign) that is a person who must follow Statutory law because it is profitable for the people who run the system. You have to know the law to avoid being trapped. I applaud Ponce for volunteering to teach us.

Hatha

[tabcdyop]

Here is some hearsay:



I reiterate. Usury is ANY increase and is not lawful. Usury is EXCESSIVE increase and is legal. The two words (the first "usury" and the second "usury") are similar but not the same. Legal has not the same effect as lawful.

You apparently rely on a different book of Law than I do. I will consult the U.S. code and question it while you appear to consult it and rely on it.

YOU"VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME RIGHT PALANI....you consult the "code".....my ass palani!
You, palani, dont consult any code to question it at all.
Its been me who has been consulting the code to question it.
I've been throwing statutes out on this forum since I became a member here.....you...well you've come up mighty short on that!
Hell Palani.......you dont even understand what causes the imposition on labor....its all codified (even if you dont want to come to terms with it). But you think its about private credit that you have yet to provide any solid evidence. You latched onto this "private credit" theory because it was the closest thing you can make of it..........but your lost!

So when the US Supreme Court (i beleive it was the Supreme Court) cited, which all the lower courts have affirmed, say you are "gainfully employed" you agree that you are, by congressional act, taking from others (including yourself) and giving to others?
You've allowed yourself to be "used" to gainfully take from others........
Myself, I dont think you understand the difference between "legal", "lawful" or "usury".

[Nfvzjvcl]

YOU"VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME RIGHT PALANI....you consult the "code"

Statutory law is referred to in order to see how those subject to it are attempting to regulate themselves. In some code there might even be reason. Just because it is located in the code doesn't make it law but one would be foolish to turn their back upon anything reasonable. You do have to be aware that the appearance of joinder exists whenever a code is cited. The boundary between statutes and law is not clearly defined at times.

.....my ass palani!

Something you've been peddling on the street?

Myself, I dont think ....

Try it sometime. It will open up new vistas.

[tabcdyop]

Statutory law is referred to in order to see how those subject to it are attempting to regulate themselves. In some code there might even be reason. Just because it is located in the code doesn't make it law but one would be foolish to turn their back upon anything reasonable. You do have to be aware that the appearance of joinder exists whenever a code is cited. The boundary between statutes and law is not clearly defined at times.



Something you've been peddling on the street?


Try it sometime. It will open up new vistas.

Hahahahaha.....
Thought so Palani.....you reading the code is a bunch of bullshyt.
Thanks for confirming that for us.

[Snuddyentaine]

I really hope it works for you Ponce....I'm rooting for you even though I dont think its going to work.
Just having an improvement tax isnt success!

For some reason my reply button wont work and this is the only way that I can post.........

To those four member to whom I sent a kit yesterday......one of you could be missing page 8 that is the last page in the official doccuments......page 8 is a copy of of the original patent holder sent to you by BLM.

7th? that's why you get your tax paper divided into "land" and into "improvement" that because one has nothing to do with the other one.......like I said before, NO ONE CAN OWN LAND UNLESS THEY HAVE A PATTENT, at this time EVERYONE has a patent but the sneaky government by nubious methods cancelled the whole thing by changing the statutory number, what I am doing is bringing the new number to light.

The "improvement" tax doesn't stay in the US but goes to the IMF...and we all know who they are.....this one and the holocaust are the two ATM permanent machines that they have......I will fight it.

[Nfvzjvcl]

Hahahahaha.....
Thought so Palani.....you reading the code is a bunch of bullshyt.
Thanks for confirming that for us.

Law is accompanied either with rewards for performing properly or penalties for not. You might believe you know law but in the end analysis you won't find out until you are either rewarded or penalized. I suspect you have a penalty headed your way but really that is not for me to say. If you do well your Law will reward you. If you do poorly your Law will apply appropriate connection.

None of this has anything at all with what I say or do and everything to do with your own actions. You appear to want to blame everything upon David Merrill. Can you say "irresponsible"?

[Unonounaple]

Up in post #5 in this thread, I included a link to Augustus Blackstone's Errant Sovereign. He covers all of the questions I've read in this thread. It's in Chapter 11 (what a coincidence) from p. 67-74. Anybody who's serious about this might find it valuable to read his information, or, perhaps ask Ponce for a 'kit' because he's working from the result of local experience with this process. Blackstone also says that it is more practical to get a land patent on rural land than on urban land.

I rely on the same law form as Palani does--which is Natural law, or English Common Law, based on customs and practices of the people, and on God's law--which comes from the bible. That law form defines what is lawful. This is the law our parents teach us, and what we learn in sunday school and in church. Statutory law is man's law. It defines what is legal. And badly. It makes something that is unlawful, such as usury legal. Some men want that because it makes them rich at the expense of all other men. It allows them to break God's law, legally (no pun intended). Statutory law sucks. It has the color of law, but not the substance. You do not feel it in your heart or soul. It makes injustice a norm. It is what Jesus Christ rebelled against. And it is what rules our lives today. The only redemption we have is that it requires our consent to enforce such laws. We can escape the jurisdiction of statutory laws by denying it jurisdiction--that is denying our consent to its enforcement. We need too often to protect ourselves from those who do unlawful things legally, like charging us interest.

Blackstone's book linked above tells us how to avoid the most commonly despised statutory 'laws', such as paying property tax, and income tax, and having to register our automoblies, or being forced to carry a 'driver's license'. He even tells you how to get out of Social Security, if you think that is practical for you.

I am starting to understand jurisdiction better. I've been watching YT videos by Dean Clifford--a Canadian, who makes it abundantly clear what 'jurisdiction' is. It's your choice of law form. If you only consent to be judged under Common Law, then none of the statutes apply to you. The system will try to trap you into being a 'subject' (rather than a sovereign) that is a person who must follow Statutory law because it is profitable for the people who run the system. You have to know the law to avoid being trapped. I applaud Ponce for volunteering to teach us.

Hatha

A most excellent read that by coincidence is on my hard drive and I am a bit through it. Thanks for sharing with everyone else. I think Palani, 7th, Hatha and others all hold pieces to the puzzle. Or perhaps there is more than one way to skin a cat. I am investigating, learning, and thinking before I act. Maybe there is more than one way to skin an Act....haha

[sciectotacype17]

What is that one way to skin a cat that everybody knows? Just kidding.

I think once you wake up to the law, and how it victimizes ignorant people, you get a huge motivation to wise up. Watch videos of Dean Clifford, or Marc Stevens. These guys are on our side. They'll tell you the right way to skin a cat.


Hatha