[Cajlwdvx]

On a thread here about The Secret of Oz, Palani posted a Maxim of Law:

Cujus per errorem dati repetitio est, ejus consulto dati donatio est. Whoever pays by mistake what he does not owe, may recover it back; but he who pays, knowing he owes nothing; is presumed to give. I recently watched a video that might be considered a sequel or addendum to Aaron Russo's America From Freedom to Fascism called How to Keep 100% of Your Earnings. Toward the end, the quote above came down on me like a ton of bricks. Here's the video:




I'm curious why this video doesn't have millions of views yet. Any ideas about that?


Hatha

[CowextetleSix]

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[trilochana.nejman]

Be careful...

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ORANGE COUNTY BUSINESS OWNER SENTENCED TO 27 MONTHS IN PRISON FOR SUBMITTING FALSE CLAIM FOR FEDERAL EMPLOYMENT TAXES

Los Angeles, CA - An Orange County tax protester who owns a Huntington Beach electronics company was sentenced today to more than two years in federal prison for submitting a false claim to the Internal Revenue Service that fraudulently sought a $61,388 refund of employment taxes.

George Henry "Nick" Jesson, 55, of Fountain Valley, the owner of No Time Delay Electronics, Inc., was sentenced to 27 months in prison by United States District Judge Percy Anderson. Jesson was remanded into custody immediately after the sentencing.

Jesson is associated with We the People Foundation for Constitutional Education, a tax-protest group that bought a full-page ad in USA Today in 2001 to declare that the government did not have the authority to collect taxes from paychecks. Judge Anderson said that the 27-month sentence should serve as a deterrent to others contemplating anti-tax actions.

In addition to the prison term, Judge Anderson ordered Jesson to pay restitution of $215,454 to the IRS.

Jesson pleaded guilty on June 27, 2005, admitting that he signed and filed a false IRS Form 941c – Supporting Statement to Correct Information – and amended Forms W-2c – Corrected Wage and Tax Statements – for No Time Delay Electronics which falsely reported that no wages had been paid to employees of his company in 1997. In reality, No Time Delay Electronics paid wages of $177,083.22 to Jesson and $273,236.20 to Jesson's wife in 1997, which Jesson acknowledged to be taxable income when he pleaded guilty. In addition, No Time Delay Electronics paid wages to other employees in 1997. Based on the false statement in May 2000 that No Time Delay Electronics had paid $0 wages in 1997, Jesson falsely claimed that the total amount of all employment taxes paid by the company in 1997 should be refunded. The total refund requested for all employees of No Time Delay Electronics, Inc. was $215,454, of which $61,388 was the employment tax withholding from the wages of Jesson and his wife. Jesson took the refund of $215,454 and immediately converted the total amount to his own personal use.

Jesson also admitted that, prior to filing the false Form 941c for No Time Delay Electronics for 1997, he had attempted to obtain a refund of $61,388 (the taxes withheld on the wages paid to Jesson and his wife) by filing an IRS Form 1040X – an amended federal income tax return – for himself and his wife. In this filing, Jesson claimed that wages were not taxable income. As part of the sentence imposed, the court also ordered Jesson to file true and accurate tax returns for 1997 through 2004 and to pay over the IRS all taxes, penalties and interest assessed on such tax returns. When this filing was unsuccessful in yielding a refund, Jesson filed the fraudulent Forms 941c and W-2c.

This case is the result of an investigation by IRS-Criminal Investigation Division.

[Cemeuncex]

When you exercise the privilege of private credit, you must pay the fee for its use.

[CHEAPPoem]

It doesn't matter what the law is, it matters who has bigger/more firepower. Currently that's the government, so you really can't win with this shit unless you're on their side somehow.

[floadaVonfoli]

Helps to be up front and honest with your desires.

[floadaVonfoli]

When you exercise the privilege of private credit, you must pay the fee for its use.

So why not make use of United States Currency Notes instead?

Congress still has “United State Currency Notes” available (See 31 USC Sec. 5115), and banks are required to convert FRN’s for them (good luck in getting a bank to help with that). But, it can be done with your deposits. Just replace the “$” with a “U” transposed over a “S” (a “S’ with two lines through the S) before the written amount, and write “USCN” upon your deposit. Now your strawman has deposited United States Currency Notes, further pay out in USCN’s with your checks with the same notations. http://adask.wordpress.com/2012/07/2...ught/#comments

[movlabz]

When you exercise the privilege of private credit, you must pay the fee for its use.

Ares, you havent a clue of what you are talking about.
Peoiple please dont listen to this tripe about private credit....Ares cant back any of it up with any statutory evidence nor any historical evidence.

The income tax is based on participating in Social Security.....and has absolutely nothing at all to do with fiat curreny (private credit).
Historically, fact is since 1913 when the reserve act came about millions of Americans had fiat in their pockets doing bussiness and didnt pay a damn cent in federal income taxes on their labor until 1940.
It was the the 1939 revised income tax did Title 26 first see chapter 21 (social security). Americans, by the millions, filed for the first time in 1940 because of chapter 21.

And if anybody has any doubt heres Kyles blog http://kylehuwer.wordpress.com/tag/taxes/ showing the official government chart showing how many filed 1040's per year startig with 1913.
In 1940 the amount doubled from 7 million to 14 million returns because of social security being installed into title 26's "Subtitle C- Employment Taxes".
Social Security defines what is "employment" (the heart and sole of Social Security). Its not a coincidence that the 1939 title 26 has added "employment" (26usc 3121(b)) chapter 21.

Some people will deceive you into beleiving a lie about private credit being the crux of taxes on liability and never provide any statutory proof and then there are some who will tell you differently and show the proof.
If anybody tells you a myth (private credit) and cant provide any statutory evidence or tells you they dont research the law because it doesnt apply to them after asking them to provide the evidence..........they are LIARS and FOOLS and keep them at arms length at all times.

Also, if you want to see the governmen tell you what the excise is that is taxable....look no further than 26usc 3111.......the government tells you that "employent" as defined (26usc 3121(b)) is the excise activity that causes your pay to be tax which the employer must also pay a tax from the employee participating in Social Security.

[Cemeuncex]

Ares, you havent a clue of what you are talking about.
Peoiple please dont listen to this tripe about private credit....Ares cant back any of it up with any statutory evidence nor any historical evidence.

The income tax is based on participating in Social Security.....and has absolutely nothing at all to do with fiat curreny (private credit).
Historically, fact is since 1913 when the reserve act came about millions of Americans had fiat in their pockets doing bussiness and didnt pay a damn cent in federal income taxes on their labor until 1940.
It was the the 1939 revised income tax did Title 26 first see chapter 21 (social security). Americans, by the millions, filed for the first time in 1940 because of chapter 21.

And if anybody has any doubt heres Kyles blog http://kylehuwer.wordpress.com/tag/taxes/ showing the official government chart showing how many filed 1040's per year startig with 1913.
In 1940 the amount doubled from 7 million to 14 million returns because of social security being installed into title 26's "Subtitle C- Employment Taxes".
Social Security defines what is "employment" (the heart and sole of Social Security). Its not a coincidence that the 1939 title 26 has added "employment" (26usc 3121(b)) chapter 21.

Some people will deceive you into beleiving a lie about private credit being the crux of taxes on liability and never provide any statutory proof and then there are some who will tell you differently and show the proof.
If anybody tells you a myth (private credit) and cant provide any statutory evidence or tells you they dont research the law because it doesnt apply to them after asking them to provide the evidence..........they are LIARS and FOOLS and keep them at arms length at all times.

Also, if you want to see the governmen tell you what the excise is that is taxable....look no further than 26usc 3111.......the government tells you that "employent" as defined (26usc 3121(b)) is the excise activity that causes your pay to be tax which the employer must also pay a tax from the employee participating in Social Security.

Sigh

Not this shit again, we already know you think that social slavery is tied to the income tax. Doesn't matter that the income tax predates social slavery.

keep to your beliefs, I'll keep to mine. We've both done our research just in different areas.

And for the matter I know what I am talking about. Just as you know what you're talking about. Just different avenue's to the same goal. There's more than one axe striking the root.

[goatteatromiag]

It doesn't matter what the law is, it matters who has bigger/more firepower. Currently that's the government, so you really can't win with this shit unless you're on their side somehow.

Exactly, why people can't grasp this is beyond me.

Denial.

[movlabz]

Sigh

Not this shit again, we already know you think that social slavery is tied to the income tax. Doesn't matter that the income tax predates social slavery.

keep to your beliefs, I'll keep to mine. We've both done our research just in different areas.

And for the matter I know what I am talking about. Just as you know what you're talking about. Just different avenue's to the same goal. There's more than one axe striking the root.

Yeah.......this shit again Ares!
Stop leading the sheeple to more lies......wheres your proof private credit is the problem?
Show us just one statute connecting the reserve act to Title 26.
Show us the statutory writing that says having fiat reserve notes in your pocket causes a person to get taxed on their labor?
I can prove my research with statutory evidence that participating in Social Security is the imposing factor.....you cant and I know you cant!


No it doesnt matter the income tax predates Social Security.....why cant you understand what I said about chapter 21 being added to Title 26 (Internal Revenue) in 1939.
Why cant you understand simple logic?

Hell Ares Title 26 was revamped in 1939 because of Social Security.

[Cemeuncex]

Yeah.......this shit again Ares!
Stop leading the sheeple to more lies......wheres your proof private credit is the problem?
Show us just one statute connecting the reserve act to Title 26.
Show us the statutory writing that says having fiat reserve notes in your pocket causes a person to get taxed on their labor?
I can prove my research with statutory evidence that participating in Social Security is the imposing factor.....you cant and I know you cant!


No it doesnt matter the income tax predates Social Security.....why cant you understand what I said about chapter 21 being added to Title 26 (Internal Revenue) in 1939.
Why cant you understand simple logic?

Hell Ares Title 26 was revamped in 1939 because of Social Security.

Take your own advice. Quit leading them astray. You can keep shouting your bullshit from the roof tops. Income tax predates social slavery.

In 1913, the Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution made the income tax a permanent fixture in the U.S. tax system the only reason it wasn't collected was because 90% of the population didn't make enough to be forced to pay. But thanks to inflation we all are stuck paying now.

Yeah simple logic 7th Trump. Why can't you get it?

[movlabz]

Take your own advice. Quit leading them astray. You can keep shouting your bullshit from the roof tops. Income tax predates social slavery.

I do take my own advice.
Bullshit huh?
So far I have supplied statutes to back the truth. I even have regulations. Heck I've even supplied a link to an IRS chart showing an influx of over 7 million first time filed 1040's because Social Security in 1940............ so where is your evidence?
If you have no evidence then your whole stance is just a good fictional book!

Yes, the income tax does predate social security. But what does your point the income tax predates social security have to do with the price of tea in china?
I dont get you Ares.......you want to prove something that baseless, frivolous and unprovable....why?

The income tax predates ebay and yet sellers on ebay are now getting 1099'd.....so just what exactly are you trying to prove here besides you showing everyone you know nothing of what you speak?

And another thing about this so called snake-skin oil private credit fiat currency thingy..........fiat currency (reserve notes) are not "private".....they are very much public and commercial.

The income tax predates the 16th. The first income tax act was in 1862.....so now what Ares.......you cant have this both ways.
Inflation huh?....wow!!!.......thats your best response?
If thats all you have then you really need to piss on the fire and call the dogs.....its over for you before you ever began!

26usc 3111 says what the excise activity is Ares that causes your labor to be taxed.....its so simple a child can read it and understand.
Your problem Ares, is you are infected with an illogical thought processes from idiots who want to beleive in conspiracies.

Ares....I suggest you read this(and anyone else who doesnt understand).
http://adask.wordpress.com/2012/05/0...s-a-good-deal/

[Cemeuncex]

I do take my own advice.
Bullshit huh?
So far I have supplied statutes to back the truth. I even have regulations. Heck I've even supplied a link to an IRS chart showing an influx of over 7 million first time filed 1040's because Social Security in 1940............ so where is your evidence?
If you have no evidence then your whole stance is just a good fictional book!

Yes, the income tax does predate social security. But what does your point the income tax predates social security have to do with the price of tea in china?
I dont get you Ares.......you want to prove something that baseless, frivolous and unprovable....why?

The income tax predates ebay and yet sellers on ebay are now getting 1099'd.....so just what exactly are you trying to prove here besides you showing everyone you know nothing of what you speak?

And another thing about this so called snake-skin oil private credit fiat currency thingy..........fiat currency (reserve notes) are not "private".....they are very much public and commercial.

Yeah so what's your point? Everything you supplied was just a larger net to catch more fish err I mean tax slaves.. Still doesn't change the fact that the Income Tax predated Social Slavery does it? Nope didn't think so.

Even back then 7th Trump there was this thing called a tax bracket. Hey what do you know, it still exist. The whole income tax was shoved down the publics throat with a promise of making the rich pay their fair share.. Sound familiar?

Anyone not making $67,000 dollars in todays money was not subject to the first income tax. The rate didn't even increase until WWII. It's gone up ever since and more people than ever are required to pay.

We've been down this road before, I'm really getting tired of repeating myself. You can site all the forms, regulations and IRS codes until you're blue in the face. Guess what? IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER!! The Income tax predates Social Slavery by almost 30 years. But to you that's just a coincidence..


You had a personal exemption in 1913 of $3,000 dollars which is equivalent to almost $67,000 in today's dollars. Gee I wonder why no one filed income tax back then... Nah it couldn't of been because they were not required too because they didn't make enough. Nah that can't be it *sarcasm*.

Whatever 7th, I'm getting tired of repeating myself, siting sources, giving examples etc. etc. etc. Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall, beating a dead horse and repeating the same task expecting a different result all rolled into one. You've done your research, dig into it a little more.

I'm done, you do your thing I'll do mine.

And for the record Federal Reserve notes ARE NOT PUBLIC, Just as the federal reserve is not public. It is private. The United States Government ask them to print money the Federal Reserve obliges as long as the U.S. agrees to the interest attached to it.

[Cajlwdvx]

There are two pieces of literature that I have read through partially that put this video into a much more favorable perspective. One of them is The Federal Zone by Paul Andrew Mitchell, that describes the jurisdictional issues the Federal government has, and the deception and fraud practiced by the IRS. You can download that book here:

http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm

The other is The Great IRS Hoax at the FamilyGuardian.org, which you can download and read here:

http://famguardian.org/Publications/...eatIRSHoax.htm

There is a good piece about The Federal Zone here:

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/fedzone.htm

I've been reading these books off and on for almost a year now. I started off with the attitude I see that most posters on this thread have--one of resignation. Like there are only two certainties in this world--death and taxes. The more I became informed, the less I believed it about taxes.

It doesn't matter how many guns and bombs the government can use against you. We are a civilized nation. If the government wants to maintain its legitimacy, it has to obey its own laws. If the government cannot show you the law governing one of its practices of relieving you of your income, then it is likely that it is relieving you of your income fraudulently. If you watched the video in the OP, you will note that there is a fairly long segment of a woman who sat on a jury for a trial of a man who lived in Illinois and was hounded by the IRS for not paying taxes. She described how the Jury asked the judge to show them the law that required that man to pay taxes. The judge could not show that law to the jury, and the jury acquitted the man on trial.

The whole video is about the ignorance and fear that people have of and about the IRS. That is evident in the posts on this thread. That ignorance and fear paralyzes people. They do not ask questions, but quietly acquiesce and pay their taxes for fear of the consequences of not doing so. The IRS and the government exploits that fear and ignorance.

Whoever pays by mistake what he does not owe, may recover it back; but he who pays, knowing he owes nothing; is presumed to give. Seriously, how do you know you owe taxes? How do you know the tax code applies to you? Has anybody read the Internal Revenue Code? Are you paying by mistake? Does the government have the authority to tax you? If it does, then it can show you by what authority it does so. Quo warranto? By what authority? What if they have no authority? What if it's all a big hoax? And we all go along because we're afraid to challenge them? I bet the politicians, especially Mitt for Brains is laughing all the way to the bank about the suckers that part with their hard earned money because they don't have the will or the discipline to find out what the law really requires. How effectively do you think when you are paralyzed with fear?

Hatha

[Elitiachirl]

Baloney and snake oil is afoot in this thread. A gang of thieves will not abstain because one asks nicely or utters magic words.

[casinobonusa]

Baloney and snake oil is afoot in this thread. A gang of thieves will not abstain because one asks nicely or utters magic words.

But what would they do if 30,000,000 asked?

This the crux of your argument and the purpose of this thread. If you don't know to ask or what to ask then how can you?

If only one at a time asks then yes they will be beat up by 10 goons. That's a 10:1 ratio.

If there are 1,000,000 government goons and 30,000,000 men and women asked them, in unison to do something then... I think the ratio changes some what.

When someone says, "You can't do that" They are really saying "I can't do that". That's their road block not mine. I can tell you, from personal experience and communication with the 2IC of taxation, you need to ask, you can ask and you might be surprised at what the response is. Of course the response will say no, but while it will not say why, it will state how many goons they have to give authority to them saying no. It will not contain any lawful authority because there is none.

do you want to change the world in any beneficial way? Then you have to fight for it, every day in every way. It doesn't happen any other way. And you have to talk about taboos like taxation and politics. Here in Oz, it's bad joojoo to talk about taxation or politics. I've never understood this, but you cannot talk to someone about who they vote for in politics. It's socially frowned upon to discuss your political persuasions. I think this is one of the biggest hurdles we face. I don't understand where it came from but that's how it is.

Forums like this are good because we need the 30,000,000 people on board.

I still contend that Income taxation applies to corporations only. It does not apply to Men and definately not to Women.

And if you don't want to change it, then carry on. Neither of us will lose out if you go your merry way.

[Elitiachirl]

But what would they do if 30,000,000 asked?

The same thing they would do if one asked.

[casinobonusa]

The same thing they would do if one asked.

well you know this isn't true... is it?

[Elitiachirl]

well you know this isn't true... is it?

I know it is, because even if 30 millions were to be reached, very few would actually do anything besides flap their gums.

As for the verbose monstrosity that is your earlier post, it is unworthy of reply.