[Badyalectlawl]

Something to think about for the trasher's of Icke. How many people do you know think that some of your ideas on whats going on are crazy conspiracy batsh*t thinking? Just saying, don't throw the baby out with the bath water...........

[egexgfczc]

The damn joos again...

derail time?

[PerfectCreditForYou]

You guys are being far too critical,its part of the allure..

talking of Icke on here is almost committing intellectual suicide... the problem is that not many want to know about predeluvian civilizations or debating ancient artifacts representing extra-terrestrials or UFOs sightings... so a dead end debate is almost guaranteed. This because it would add another layer of complexity to their thought processes. I generally recommend Michael Tellinger when dealing with more "mainstream crowds". However I am not too interested in how far his reptilian theory goes BUT that we are farmed by ETs isnt that far fetched. The evil we see is extremely ancient. Not 500 year old as many tend to believe.

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. Arthur Schopenhauer

[PerfectCreditForYou]

Being free

concise and straight answer...

[PerfectCreditForYou]

Something to think about for the trasher's of Icke. How many people do you know think that some of your ideas on whats going on are crazy conspiracy batsh*t thinking? Just saying, don't throw the baby out with the bath water...........

exactly... thats ironic...

[Emalodoulouts]

Icke touts the Protocols of Zion and suggests Jews as part of the global conspiracy. Knowing that, he should be a god on this forum.

[myspauyijbv]

can somebody summarize for me what david icke's main point is?

i think his main point is, he likes to sell ads talking about wierd shite.

he weaves fantasy with a little fact. sort of like a sci-fi writer.

i would say overall - he's controlled opposition.

and he's damn icky !

[bumxumer]

i think his main point is, he likes to sell ads talking about wierd shite.

he weaves fantasy with a little fact. sort of like a sci-fi writer.

i would say overall - he's controlled opposition.

and he's damn icky !

No more controlled opposition than those who say there is a cabal of money lenders enslaving the planet with debt by using the Federal Reserve Banking system.

[Pipindula]

I'd quote you cost for the artist however, "We currently do not have any tickets on-sale for David Icke."

http://www.ticketmaster.com/David-Ic.../artist/910801

[nerkvcbtre]

talking of Icke on here is almost committing intellectual suicide... the problem is that not many want to know about predeluvian civilizations or debating ancient artifacts representing extra-terrestrials or UFOs sightings... so a dead end debate is almost guaranteed.

If you'd watch my video on identifying Reptilians & Masons you would understand how those that go white in the face when a flying saucer is mentioned are the Reptilians.

Perhaps these entities that are causing the "dead end" are Reptilians (unbeknownst to themselves)

Folly?

[Badyalectlawl]

i think his main point is, he likes to sell ads talking about wierd shite.

he weaves fantasy with a little fact. sort of like a sci-fi writer.

Sounds like your describing the government's story of 9/11. Ahhh, what to believe..............

[mynaflzak]

i'm trying to figure out how he got all of this inside info or what the big picture is. i listened to him for over an hour on alex jones, and it was like listening to steve quayle. i'm trying to figure out what he thinks from a succient viewpoint. it's all very rambling to me at this point.

i went back and looked at my notes. his theories appear to be a conglomeration of:

the matrix movies + pixar's monsters inc. + they live

It seems to me that one key issue people have with Icke is the question you're asking here. Basically, getting blindsided with a huge construct of thinking totally removed from anything you have previous experience with causes us to reject or ignore it. What else can you do?

What I'd like to say is that this information didn't appear out of nowhere, given to us by a lone man. No only are there many others who support Icke, but this information has been built up from very basic foundations by many people over about the last 100 years. The reason this is so hard to track is that each new source which builds on previous sources sounds unrelated to what it's building on. It's generally given in revelation style without citing the previous stuff that it evolved from.

In my view this is an organic revolution which is changing the consciousness of the planet. But we'll get to the "mumbo jumbo" in a minute. This is an account of the "positive side" of this organic growth of consciousness because I'm more familiar with it. I am not as familiar with Blavatsky and that side of things.

From what I can tell, this "positive organic growth movement" began in 1912 when Gurdjieff appeared and began bringing certain teachings to the West which he presumably learned as a student in Asia. His key teachings are contained in the book "In Search of the Miraculous, Fragments of an Unknown Teaching", written by one of his primary students and also an important person in this movement, Ouspenksy.

Gurdjieff first appeared in 1912 at the age of 35 - 49 (his date of birth is unknown). His early life is unknown before he appeared and began his teachings. It's hard for me to try to summarize his teachings here. Keep in mind that this is kind of the foundation, in my view, of this "huge construct of thinking" I mentioned earlier, so naturally it's different than what you are familiar with. It's not quite at the invisible alien level, but it's the start of a new direction. Basically he was bringing out previously hidden teachings and essentially making them public, or at least starting the process.

The teachings are broken into two areas - man, and the universe. A very rough summary is that man in his current state is basically a robot or automation, and it requires sustained conscious effort to rise out of this state. That's the whole deal with monks, yogis, and all that hardcore stuff from asia (which Gurdjieff participated in). The universe follows esoteric laws, for example the processes that go on inside of a man are the same processes that go on in the universe. For example, microcosmos and macrocosmos. Just like we have a microcosmos inside of us, like bacteria growing and all kinds of stuff happening, we are the microcosmos of the earth. The earth is alive and is a more evolved being than we are. Just as bacteria can't sense our consciousness because we are on a different level, it's the same way for us. The sun is kind of like a macrocosmos to earth, which is just a spec compared to it.

Ouspensky met Gurdjieff in 1916, and was a student of his for many years. After a few decades of being a close student, Ouspensky broke with Gurdjieff to separate himself. It wasn't like a schism but rather that he learned all Gurdjieff had to offer him, and had to reflect on whether he really believed it, what his own views were, etc. He wasn't a blind follower.

Ouspenksy's book "In Search of the Miraculous" was published posthumously in 1947. Gurdjieff's own books were confusing and unclear, but Ouspensky, being more of an intellectual, made his teachings understandable. But as the title of the book indicates, they were really fragments of an unknown teaching. (this teaching is called "The fourth way")

Moving along with our growth, another man called Boris Mouravieff published a 3 volume series called "Gnosis". In it, he addresses and corrects the system first publicized by Gurdjieff and Ouspenksy. Mouravieff writes as if he already knows the full system of which only fragments were published previously. Whereas Gurdjieff got his information from Asian sources, Mouravieff's information comes from within the Russian Orthodox church, and could be called Esoteric Christianity. It's important to know that no one has a lock on this information, because it's universal truth. Therefore, everyone's 'version' should really be pointing to the same thing. So that's how Mouravieff is able to correct Ouspensky even though the original sources of their knowledge come from completely different areas. [It should be noted that Gurdjieff didn't really think highly of Christianity, whereas Mouravieff's book is full of references to scripture]

The key information that Mouravieff gives us in his Gnosis series gives us is not only the problem of man's state, but rather the mechanics of how esoteric processes work, and the method through which it is possible to escape the fallen state described by Gurdjieff.

Mouravieff knew Ouspensky and argued that his book not be published. He said publishing fragments of knowledge was dangerous. However, since In Search of the Miraculous was published, Mouravieff published Gnosis in 1961.

At this point the foundations had been laid - previously for thousands of years we had religion for the mass public, and then each religion had a secret core of "esoteric schools" which was for the few who tackled conscious development. However, now that this esoteric information was becoming accessible to the public, a shift had occurred. So now we know that it really boils down to conscious development of man so he can both grow and fulfill his role in the universe (read the works mentioned above to understand what our role is and why we must grow).

At this point, another jump was made, however, it might not be obvious that it builds on the stuff mentioned above. This was the Ra material, channeled material from Ra. This material was channeled in 1982 - 1984. So we can see a nice little progression of jumps here so far: 1912, 1947, 1961, 1982

The Ra material is also known as the "Law of One" material, and brings in some new and important concepts. It tells us that conscious development is achieved through polarization to either serving others or serving yourself. These two paths start to show us how the previous ideas of conscious development look like in the real world: you've got the saints, the evil doers, and the masses which are neither and are less conscious than the other two. The polarization and conscious development is described in terms of colors and general universal ideas rather than in the more rigid way described by Gurdjieff, Ouspensky, and Mouravieff.

The Ra material also introduces the idea of contact with other beings which aren't human. The 4th way material described the very high beings like planets, or low ones like bacteria. However, the Ra material starts filling in the gap between humans and planets. It tells us about other physical beings like us, more advanced ones with technologies, other non-physical ones, and 'complexes' or whole societies and races with a shared consciousness. We can clearly see the relation of the Ra material with the 4th way material, because they both focus on man and the universe, and ways for man to grow and become more conscious.

Lets move along to the natural extensions of the Ra material. Here we get into the Pledian material and Cassiopaea material. At this point, the organic growth is starting to branch out and become a little more parallelized.

The Cassiopaean material was channeled material which started in 1994, and lasted for I think a decade. It builds on the Ra (and Pleiadian material which I won't discuss). It adds more important developments. First it talks about how DNA is connected to consciousness, and the mechanics of how consciousness interacts with matter by altering the quantum mechanical probable futures of particles, to nudge reality in certain ways. I'll admit I'm not as familiar with this material, but it does act as a bridge from the other channeled material, which acted as a bridge from the 4th way material.

Since the Casseopaean material occurred in modern times, with the advent of the internet, a group of people were able to form a community around it and try to figure out what it all means. There is a forum, but of course as we all know from the previous 'jumps' that have occurred, these people and their forum are not the end-all-be-all. However, the community did figure out that what the channeled material they have, which built upon other channeled, material, originally came from the 4th way writings, so they tie it back together nicely. Look at their glossary:
http://cassiopedia.org/glossary/Main_Page

Now that we've discussed how we got here, from 1912, 1947, 1961, 1982, 1994, we can look at the present material in more context:

He shares some of the same beliefs as David Wilcock (Source Field investigations) and a lot of his understanding (IMO) is from reading the likes of Sitchen, Daniken, Boulay, Graham Hancock. Ancient alien stuff. I've read a lot of the same stuff and its pretty interesting sh*t with a lot of science to back it up. There are also a lot of things that MS science considers irrelevant which in reality is very relevant and as yet, unexplained. I think most people should listen to Icke about his take on the cabal taking over the world and spent less on his reptile remarks. They (above authors) cover a good deal of understanding of the first tribes (Jews/Africans/whatever) and their expansion into what we have now (Illuminati/globalists)............ It clarified (or at least filled in the story) some discrepancies in religious texts that I had wondered about. Anyways, if you haven't read any of the above authors, I recommend that you do.

The quote above, David Icke, and many others are offshoots which are bringing us new revelations, simply building upon what has already been slowly released for a century. This is the real "new age" movement. And if "new age" has stigma to it, go back and read Ouspensky's book to see exactly how precisely opposite of wishy-washy it is. From the Ra material, we understand what the elites and nwo really are. The more modern material seems to be, from what I can see, guidance on how to move forward. Do your research. Don't get trapped in a box. It's good to be critical...I recommend the critical, yet genuine, guys to go back to the foundations I gave, and follow it up the chain. There's more links than I listed here, I have more.

[konanoileaski]

Who cares about David Icke and why should any one care .

People seem to attack the messenger often for some reason .

He has a message as an individual person so take it of leave it.

Its the ideas that are important and if you dont like his ideas then he is not for you.

Understanding is an individual process that dosnt have a need to attack someone elses ideas as it is maybe an egotistical threat .

You will never have peace attacking other individuals ideas ect for in the end there is only our very awareness local to oneself , nothing else matters and this awareness is shared by everyone.There is absolutely no reason to judge and hang people because that is what you become.

Life isnt a series of begrudgements one after the other but a wonderful place when you become your awareness.

And good luck on that one....................truth dont lie..............

[nintenda]

i'm not discounting anything he said, i just find it hard to follow him or figure out what he's talking about. i've listened to several interviews where he literally didn't answer ANY questions posed to him, but instead goes on long rambling monologues where he mentions all of the the things in my original post for 20 seconds each.

[pupyississido]

Icke is no different than the "Leaked Illuminati training video". Some serious hard truths divulged, and then bundled up with some serious and deep deceptions, therefore the hard truths (Such as the elephant in the room) are dismissed as the ravings of a lunatic.


I don't know when you guys are going to figure this out, but all of these mainstream "Alternative" new sources and researchers are totally controlled. (IMO, of course)

Drudge, Jones, Makow, Rense, Celente, Sinclair, Quayle, Icke, all of the ones that our type of "Independent Thinkers" would turn to for info, controlled.

Fuck sake, they would all be DEAD if what they were saying was not meant to be leaked. TPTB do not mess around. Look at how many scientitsts have died. Look at the list of people that have died that are tied to the Clintons. Do you think that Alex Jones could not have been accicided or suicided by now? Fuck we have healthy people dying of "natural causes" while in their swimming pools, and the coroners who perform autopsies are dying shortly after the press releases.

Nothing is beyond the scope and ability of the satanic elite, to assassinate anyone they choose at any time, no matter how famous that person might be. They can make planes crash, cars burn, houses catch fire, carbon monoxide buildup, hearts stop, livers fail, anything you can imagine - The have the resources to do it.

Add to that, the fact that the satanic cabal owns and controls the MEDIA (Including the alternative media). They use it as a PR tool to placate the masses and persuade them to believe the most asinine shit you can dream up. The fucking SOS must be holding their sides from laughing so hard at the bullshit they can serve up on a platter and watch us gobble down.

In my opinion, nothing goes untouched. The only safe haven is old documentation, that is rare and hard to find and often banned. Proofs of a Conspiracy by John Robison, for example. It was published in 1798. Wow. Buy that fucking book and read it. www.omnicbc.com carries it. The Plot against the Church. The International Jew. The Talmud unmasked. The Mysteries of Freemasonry unveiled. So many more. These books hold historical documentation that has not been glossed over by the controllers.

Going back to my original point: I believe most of what these "Conspiracy broadcasters" say if it gels with my textual research and historical trending, because the cabal has this sense of "honor" in which they tell us everything they are going to do before they do it. Enter stage left, Agent Alex Jones and his fellow clique of broadcasters.

They are disseminating info at the behest of the satanic elite. They are doing their job. IMO.

[Badyalectlawl]

Icke is no different than the "Leaked Illuminati training video". Some serious hard truths divulged, and then bundled up with some serious and deep deceptions, therefore the hard truths (Such as the elephant in the room) are dismissed as the ravings of a lunatic.


I don't know when you guys are going to figure this out, but all of these mainstream "Alternative" new sources and researchers are totally controlled. (IMO, of course)

Drudge, Jones, Makow, Rense, Celente, Sinclair, Quayle, Icke, all of the ones that our type of "Independent Thinkers" would turn to for info, controlled.

Fuck sake, they would all be DEAD if what they were saying was not meant to be leaked. TPTB do not mess around. Look at how many scientitsts have died. Look at the list of people that have died that are tied to the Clintons. Do you think that Alex Jones could not have been accicided or suicided by now? Fuck we have healthy people dying of "natural causes" while in their swimming pools, and the coroners who perform autopsies are dying shortly after the press releases.

Nothing is beyond the scope and ability of the satanic elite, to assassinate anyone they choose at any time, no matter how famous that person might be. They can make planes crash, cars burn, houses catch fire, carbon monoxide buildup, hearts stop, livers fail, anything you can imagine - The have the resources to do it.

Add to that, the fact that the satanic cabal owns and controls the MEDIA (Including the alternative media). They use it as a PR tool to placate the masses and persuade them to believe the most asinine shit you can dream up. The fucking SOS must be holding their sides from laughing so hard at the bullshit they can serve up on a platter and watch us gobble down.

In my opinion, nothing goes untouched. The only safe haven is old documentation, that is rare and hard to find and often banned. Proofs of a Conspiracy by John Robison, for example. It was published in 1798. Wow. Buy that fucking book and read it. www.omnicbc.com carries it. The Plot against the Church. The International Jew. The Talmud unmasked. The Mysteries of Freemasonry unveiled. So many more. These books hold historical documentation that has not been glossed over by the controllers.

Going back to my original point: I believe most of what these "Conspiracy broadcasters" say if it gels with my textual research and historical trending, because the cabal has this sense of "honor" in which they tell us everything they are going to do before they do it. Enter stage left, Agent Alex Jones and his fellow clique of broadcasters.

They are disseminating info at the behest of the satanic elite. They are doing their job. IMO.

In this world of yours awoke, you tell us who is full of sh*t and who is supplying "real" documentation. Is this any different than what you accuse TPTB of doing? I don't care about the messengers, just the message which when compared to others (and their sources) form specific truths considering there are hints from different cultures/countries contributing to a similar story. You want documentation, explain the Piri Reis map to us? That is piece of documentation that by any other scientific evaluation is over ten thousand years old. Explain the advanced mathematics of the pyramids of Giza and their sister subjects in South America using the higher mathematics that modern man didn't discover till the 19/20th century. This is the literature of history, just like the cuneiform inscriptions of the Summerians. The truth is out there, just well hidden amongst all the crap the cabal feeds us to keep us ignorant. Like Vacuum stated, " don't shoot the messenger". The only real difference I see in these discussions are the starting points of belief. Awoke and others deal with Christ time to now while Vacuum and Singular deal with things much older. It doesn't make either wrong/right, just conflicting time zones leading to the same conclusion. The Illuminati (IMO) harbor and secret the ancient knowledge of this planet. Simple observation, thousands of years of horse/buggy and yet in the last "100" years, look how we've vaulted ahead technology wise. How'd we get so smart so fast? Did the 20th century evolution stage kick in and give us space travel/macro biology/genetics/quantum theories whereas the last 5,000 years we were in a slump. I don't discount anything these days, just add it to the library and continue on...............

[feroiodpiop]

I read his stuff like it's science fiction. It's a tough pill to swallow believing that those in elite circles are really reptilian shape-shifters.

Some of his stuff, like his elephant in the room article is great though.

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In my opinion, nothing goes untouched. The only safe haven is old documentation, that is rare and hard to find and often banned. Proofs of a Conspiracy by John Robison, for example. It was published in 1798.

You can download that book in PDF form here: http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/PRO...hn_Robison.pdf