[JesexhiSeeces]

Another excellent video on Private Property Ownership by Stefan Molyneux.

The premise: You own yourself. You own what you create, and you own what you produce. Good OR Bad, you own it.

[duawLauff]

Actually, you "own" what you hold and have the ability to defend. All else is empty philosophical speculation and untenable theory.

The root word of "Wealth" is "Wield" - as in a sword.

[freflellalafe]

Way to go North Dakota.

North Dakota Votes Against Abolishing Property Tax

[duawLauff]

Way to go North Dakota.

North Dakota Votes Against Abolishing Property Tax

Not only that, but at the same time they PASSED a bill that gets rid of the "offensive" Fighting Sioux sports team name all in the interest of being politically correct.

Assholes. Really have their priorities straight.

[freflellalafe]

Not only that, but at the same time they PASSED a bill that gets rid of the "offensive" Fighting Sioux sports team name all in the interest of being politically correct.

Assholes. Really have their priorities straight.

But they got that state bank...

[duawLauff]

But they got that state bank...

From Wickedpedia:

The Bank of North Dakota (BND) is a state-owned and -run financial institution based in Bismarck, North Dakota. Under state law the bank is the State of North Dakota doing business as the Bank of North Dakota.[1]
The state and state agencies are required to place their funds in the bank, local governments are not required to do so. The Bank of North Dakota was established by legislative action in 1919 to promote agriculture, commerce and industry in North Dakota.[2] Other entities may also open accounts at the Bank; however, BND offers fewer retail services than other institutions, and has only one office, limiting its competitiveness in consumer banking.[3]
Instead, BND has taken a role more akin to a central bank, and has many functions, such as check clearing, that might be expected from a branch office of the Federal Reserve. The bank does have an account with the Federal Reserve Bank, but deposits are not insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, instead being guaranteed by the general fund of the state of North Dakota itself and the taxpayers of the state.[3]
BND also guarantees student loans (through its Student Loans of North Dakota division), business development loans, and state and municipal bonds.[3]
Though initially conceived by populists in the Non-Partisan League as a credit union-style institution to free the farmers of the state from predatory lenders, the bank's functions were largely neutered by the time of its inception by the business-backed Independent Voters Association. The recall of NPL Governor Lynn Frazier effectively ended the initial plan, with BND taking a more conservative central banking role in state finance. The current president and CEO is Eric Hardmeyer, however the bank is managed by the North Dakota Industrial Commission, which is composed of the Governor, Attorney General, and the Agriculture Commissioner (formerly the Agriculture and Labor Commissioner) of North Dakota.[4]
The Bank of North Dakota is the only state-owned facility of its type in the United States other than the Puerto Rico Government Development Bank.

[freflellalafe]

From Wickedpedia:

They still contract in frn's. If the State is running as a corporation and the bank is owned by the State...

I give the same credence in their State bank as I do in Mountain Hours.



Are mtnHours legal?
Absolutely. Similar currency systems thrive in dozens of communities around the United States. Law professor Lewis Solomon states in his book, Rethinking Our Centralized Monetary System, that there is no legal prohibition to creating a local currency system in the United States. The IRS, FBI, US Secret Service, Federal Reserve and Treasury Department have all declared the printing and use of local currencies to be legal.

Criteria for legal local currency design

• Must correspond to a specific dollar amount.
• Must not look like federal dollars to avoid confusion.

How are mtnHours taxed?
Treat your mtnHours like federal cash. Each mtnHour denomination is assigned a specific conversion value. Since the federal government considers supplemental currencies to be a cash equivalent, you must pay taxes on mtnHours income just as you would for other income.
One mtnHour is equal to ten Federal Reserve Notes. It is unnecessary to file any special IRS forms for your local currency activity. When you receive a mtnHour, ask yourself, “If this were a $10 bill, would I report it as taxable income and pay tax on it?” If the answer is “yes,” then add $10 to your business income and pay tax on it.

[Elitiachirl]

Similar currency systems thrive in dozens of communities around the United States.

Who determines if you are in the United States?

[freflellalafe]

Who determines if you are in the United States?

Who's on First.

[JesexhiSeeces]

I hate to impose, but did anyone here actually watch the video?

[duawLauff]

I hate to impose, but did anyone here actually watch the video?

Not yet... too busy derailing your thread so far!

I'm actually planning to watch it later though...

[freflellalafe]

I hate to impose, but did anyone here actually watch the video?

I think it was my third time watching it. Still is a good vid. I thought we had a thread somewhere about this guy or one of his vids, but I couldn't find it.

I wonder though if his tactics with the bobbys would have worked in the states? Any of our boys in blue would have tased his ass and shot his dog at a minimum.

Started listening to this one again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUEaX...eature=related


edit, crap, wrong thread.

I watch molyneux right now.

[freflellalafe]

molyneux: "There is no difference between a car and a kidney"

"There is no distinction between rape and theft." 13:48

He is rambling imho. I don't know if I can take anymore.

"A kidney is a ipad" What the hell?

[JesexhiSeeces]

molyneux: "There is no difference between a car and a kidney"

"There is no distinction between rape and theft." 13:48

He is rambling imho. I don't know if I can take anymore.

"A kidney is a ipad" What the hell?

You would have to watch the entire video to know what the CONTEXT of what you quoted meant. Should i go into some long explanation, or should you just watch the video? (If you care enough to)

[freflellalafe]

You would have to watch the entire video to know what the CONTEXT of what you quoted meant. Should i go into some long explanation, or should you just watch the video? (If you care enough to)

I did finish listening to it. He made those statements, then said "Oh, not literally, philosophically" Screw that. There is nothing philosophical, imho, in any of the comparisons he made. Like I said he was rambling for the whole thing.

I don't believe their can be a comparison between my body(really life) and any other object.

I normally enjoy listening to Molyneux, but he was just rambled for this vid.

[JesexhiSeeces]

I did finish listening to it. He made those statements, then said "Oh, not literally, philosophically" Screw that. There is nothing philosophical, imho, in any of the comparisons he made. Like I said he was rambling for the whole thing.

I don't believe their can be a comparison between my body(really life) and any other object.

I normally enjoy listening to Molyneux, but he was just rambled for this vid.

He CLEARLY states that an ipad is not the same as a kidney. THEN he goes on to explain that if you produced/bought your own ipad then you own it. Just like you have fed and clothed yourself, and taken care of your kidney. So you own your kidney, and you own your ipad. In this example THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE.

Can you think of ANY scenario where another man has a Right to your kidney?
Can you think of ANY scenario where another man has a Right to your ipad?

This is where the similarities arise.

[freflellalafe]

He CLEARLY states that an ipad is not the same as a kidney. THEN he goes on to explain that if you produced/bought your own ipad then you own it. Just like you have fed and clothed yourself, and taken care of your kidney. So you own your kidney, and you own your ipad. In this example THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE.

Can you think of ANY scenario where another man has a Right to your kidney?
Can you think of ANY scenario where another man has a Right to your ipad?

This is where the similarities arise.

So why even bring up they are the same to begin with? Like I said, he was rambling.
I think he was talking out of his ass on this subject, mho of course.