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Pull out all the stops, now we have a bona fide mental health emergency.
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/me...828-1jger.html |
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The show marches on...
www.theregister.co.uk/2012/03/30/climate_scepticism_racism_slavery_treatment/ Climate-change scepticism must be 'treated', says enviro-sociologist 30th March 2012 Scepticism regarding the need for immediate and massive action against carbon emissions is a sickness of societies and individuals which needs to be "treated", according to an Oregon-based professor of "sociology and environmental studies". Professor Kari Norgaard compares the struggle against climate scepticism to that against racism and slavery in the US South... Professor Norgaard considers that fuzzy-studies academics such as herself must stand shoulder to shoulder with the actual real climate scientists who know some maths in an effort to change society and individuals for their own good. |
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I tink iss alumininimum in da air tats makin uss all stoopid. |
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Professor Kari Norgaard compares the struggle against climate scepticism to that against racism and slavery in the US South... article-2123260-126A3803000005DC-585_233x423.jpg Controversial: Kari Norgaard is a professor of sociology and environmental studies at Oregon University http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...sm-racism.html |
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Pull out all the stops, now we have a bona fide mental health emergency. i would say it's true - sort of. economic dislocation causes emotional side effects. when someone loses their job and gets depressed, i don't think that's mental illness. my observation is that it's quite normal. and climate change, which is an in-exact science, does cause economic dislocation. i would say that article is basically a conversation piece to sell ads. it's not about telling the truth. but i still like Aussie's ![]() i'm rooting for 2 or 3 Aussie's and a few Americans on the ASP World Tour this year. just oil - we are burning approx. 1 cubic mile of oil each year on this planet. remember that old formula, PV= nRT ? when that oil is burned, it creates CO2 and H2O, the normal products of combustion. and it creates approx. 200 cubic miles of CO2. this rate of CO2 creation has been going on for over 50 years. in the US the "Auto Age" really go into high gear after WW2. then you add in the natural gas we burn - and the coal. that's 30,000 cubic miles of CO2, give or take. do you really think we can add that much CO2 to the atmosphere without it having an effect ? when a scientist says that this acidifies the ocean and that that is a problem for the coral, he is not doing it at the bidding of BP or Exxon (most of the time). he / she is saying that because it is their best reckoning of the truth. |
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Keehah, you should've included a photo of the illustrious & Nordic bled science major. |
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Another pic of that mug is worth it.
![]() ![]() Guest Post: The Face of Authoritarian Environmentalism Submitted by John Aziz of Azizonomics The Face of Authoritarian Environmentalism ![]() From the Daily Mail:An Oregon University professor has controversially compared skepticism of global warming to racism. Sociology and environmental studies professor Kari Norgaard wrote a paper criticising non-believers, suggesting that doubters have a ‘sickness’. The professor, who holds a B.S. in biology and a master’s and PhD in sociology, argued that ‘cultural resistance’ to accepting humans as being responsible for climate change ‘must be recognised and treated’ as an aberrant sociological behaviour.Really? Doubters have an illness? Isn’t pathologising dissidents a hallmark of authoritarianism? Weren’t dissidents under the Soviet Union often sent to psychiatric hospitals to be “treated” for their behaviour? Hasn’t Norgaard read Solzhenitsyn’s Gulag Archipelago? And really “doubters” could mean a lot of things. Does it solely mean those who believe climate change is not happening? What about climate agnostics? Does it mean those who believe that climate change is happening but that it is not man-made? Does it mean those who believe that it is happening, but who disagree with Norgaard’s proposed solutions?:Norgaard last week attended the annual four-day ‘Planet Under Pressure’ international conference in London, where she presented her controversial paper to delegates on Wednesday. The scientists behind the event recently put out a statement calling for humans to be packed into denser cities so that the rest of the planet can be surrendered to mother nature. And fellow attendee Yale University professor Karen Seto told MSNBC: ‘We certainly don’t want them (humans) strolling about the entire countryside. We want them to save land for nature by living closely [together].’And does it include those (including me) who believe that man-made climate change is happening — and has been happening for thousands of years — but that it seems to broadly be a good thing? From the BBC:Human emissions of carbon dioxide will defer the next Ice Age, say scientists. The last Ice Age ended about 11,500 years ago, and when the next one should begin has not been entirely clear. Researchers used data on the Earth’s orbit and other things to find the historical warm interglacial period that looks most like the current one. In the journal Nature Geoscience, they write that the next Ice Age would begin within 1,500 years – but emissions have been so high that it will not.Certainly, if human emissions keep the Earth warmer than the pre-human cycle (i.e. widespread cyclical glaciation), that would appear to be a good thing in the long run for human civilisation. And what about my position that a ultra-complex (and arguably stochastic) system like the climate is not meaningfully modellable, and therefore that climate certainty is impossible? While it seems to make sense that higher levels of atmospheric CO2 will produce higher temperatures, and while there are a myriad of simplified models out there that seem to suggest the same thing, there is no substitute for long-term empirical evidence, of which we have very little. In a system as complex as the Earth’s climate, there could be a whole swathe of effects that we have not yet identified that could drastically change the outcome (for better, or for worse). For Norgaard, does an understanding of the limitations of probabilistic modelling constitute a mental illness? Should I be committed to treatment to “cure” me of my beliefs? Because that is what Norgaard’s words lead me to believe. And that sounds worryingly like Neo-Stalinism. |
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Her university is already in damage control mode:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/0...ess-statement/ |
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Grow up guys!
![]() http://www.infowars.com/you-tube-cen...to-be-treated/ Indeed, videos made by global warming alarmist groups showing children being blown up and having their guts splatted everywhere for not reducing their carbon footprint are apparently fine by You Tube, but suggesting Norgaard isn’t the most attractive woman on the planet is tantamount to hate speech. The humor directed at Norgaard is at worst sophomoric – it can hardly be described as being “designed to harass, bully or threaten,” which are the labels You Tube applied in deleting the clip and placing a strike against the Alex Jones Channel. |
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Prof. Kari Norgaard welcomes you to the future, Comrades!
CAJ note: Oh, where to even begin with this! ![]() ‘If you don’t believe in climate change you must be sick’: Oregon professor likens skepticism to racism The Daily Mail [UK] 31 March 2012 An Oregon University professor has controversially compared skepticism of global warming to racism. Sociology and environmental studies professor Kari Norgaard wrote a paper criticising non-believers, suggesting that doubters need to be have a ‘sickness’. The professor, who holds a B.S. in biology and a master’s and PhD in sociology, argued that ‘cultural resistance’ to accepting humans as being responsible for climate change ‘must be recognised and treated’ as an aberrant sociological behaviour. Resolving skepticism about climate change alarmists, she added, is a challenge equitable to overcoming ‘racism or slavery in the U.S. South’… The article continues at The Daily Mail. Climate-change scepticism must be ‘treated’, says enviro-sociologist Dubious on warmo peril? You’re the kind who’d own slaves …Professor Norgaard considers that fuzzy-studies academics such as herself must stand shoulder to shoulder with the actual real climate scientists who know some maths in an effort to change society and individuals for their own good. It’s not a new idea: trick-cyclists in Blighty and the US have lately called for a “science of communicating science” rather reminiscent of Isaac Asimov’s science-fictional “Psychohistory” discipline, able to predict and alter the behaviour of large populations*…Resistance to warmism must be ‘treated’ Warmists have jumped the shark — or maybe make that jumped the Stalin. The old Soviet trick of defining political opposition as a mental illness is back, this time at the University of Oregon. Their media relations folks are bursting with pride that one of their faculty is faithfully recycling, in this case from Uncle Joe…Something is sick, and it’s not the sceptics …I’ve said, again in a post today, that the global warming faith licences the closet totalitarian. Imagine what such people as this sociologist feel licenced to do to us – for our own good, of course, as the Inquisition, Nazis and Bolsheviks insisted, too. Already some, like Professor Clive Hamilton, ponder the need for a ”suspension of the democratic processes”. http://commonamericanjournal.com/?p=42217 |
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