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Old 03-07-2012, 10:24 PM   #1
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An Adams County, Colo. Sheriff's Office incident report obtained by KUSA says the Shaw Heights Middle School 11-year-old was handcuffed and taken to a holding facility because she was, "argumentative and extremely rude" to an assistant principal.

The Sheriff's office said it was just following normal procedure.

A 12-year-old boy Friday was facing possible probation after he was handcuffed by a police officer at an Indiana middle school after refusing to clean up spilled milk

And just last week, a parent in North Carolina claimed her autistic son was restrained via handcuffs at a New Hanover County school, according to WECT. What's wrong in this picture? Handcuffing and arresting (taking to a holding facility) kids for nothing seems like pattern for the police officers.

This unnecessary brutality will leave deep scars in kid’s memory.
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Old 03-07-2012, 10:32 PM   #2
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What's wrong in this picture? Handcuffing and arresting (taking to a holding facility) kids for nothing seems like pattern for the police officers.

This unnecessary, brutality will leave deep scars in kid’s memory.
Yeah, I can't really see ANY reason to arrest a minor for any of the incidents listed in the posts above. I may be able to see it in the case of a kid bringing a weapon to school, or a very brutal school fight.

The milk fight doesn't mention that the boy was NOT arrested, but rather since he was being so resistant the officer cuffed him, walked him to the principles office, then the kid stayed there till the Father came and the officer released the kid to the father. Cuffing the kid was not the officers first action. He attempted to walk him to the principles office first without cuffs.
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Old 03-07-2012, 10:41 PM   #3
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What's wrong in this picture? Handcuffing and arresting (taking to a holding facility) kids for nothing seems like pattern for the police officers.

This unnecessary brutality will leave deep scars in kid’s memory.
Deep scars? Let's not get over excited.

Having said that, why is it "normal procedure" to call in the police to deal with relatively minor incidents by disruptive pupils - something has happened in schools for years. What's wrong with a good old fashioned detention?
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Old 03-07-2012, 10:54 PM   #4
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Deep scars? Let's not get over excited.

Having said that, why is it "normal procedure" to call in the police to deal with relatively minor incidents by disruptive pupils - something has happened in schools for years. What's wrong with a good old fashioned detention?
Over excited? I don't know about you but I would be terrified if I was handcuffed as an 11-12 year kid.
Also I think that is insane to handcuff autistic kid.

Remember, we are talking here about most precious but most vulnerable part of every society - kids.
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Old 03-07-2012, 11:08 PM   #5
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why is it "normal procedure" to call in the police to deal with relatively minor incidents by disruptive pupils
Because if you lay a single finger on that child the parents will sue you.
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Old 03-08-2012, 01:03 AM   #6
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Over excited? I don't know about you but I would be terrified if I was handcuffed as an 11-12 year kid.
Also I think that is insane to handcuff autistic kid.

Remember, we are talking here about most precious but most vulnerable part of every society - kids.
Again let’s not get carried away here, I like puppies far more than children. All kidding aside (I really wasn’t I hate kids) I think kids should be punished harshly. They get away with far too much, I see these little brats talk back and act like they are untouchable because our society is so damn sue happy. The parents won’t teach these kids a lesion but use them to bring in bank. Its unfortunate but the alternative is letting the teachers beat the hell out of the kids, which is ok in my book.
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Old 03-08-2012, 01:11 AM   #7
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Putting one of these kids in cuffs is hardly police brutality. I do agree though that schools are too quick to call the authorities for something they should be able to handle themselves.

I'm just thankful I don't work in a school any longer. More than once I wanted to slap a kid upside the head. I didn't though . It's funny/frustrating/sad what a teenager will call you when you cut off their Internet access for a week when they can't keep off the porn sites at school.
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Old 03-08-2012, 01:18 AM   #8
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Over excited? I don't know about you but I would be terrified if I was handcuffed as an 11-12 year kid.
Also I think that is insane to handcuff autistic kid.

Remember, we are talking here about most precious but most vulnerable part of every society - kids.
Come off it. You're talking like they'll have a heart attack if you go "Boo!" to them.
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Old 03-08-2012, 01:39 AM   #9
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I like how the article says he was handcuffed for not cleaning up spilled milk, so at first glance people will already have the mindset that the child was "brutalized" for nothing.

The boy began yelling at a staff member who asked him to clean up the milky mess.

The officer intervened and asked the sixth-grader to calm down, but the child began yelling at him. Police said after several warnings the officer decided to march the student to the principal's office.


The boy resisted and broke free, running down the school's hallways, before the officer caught up with him and the pair wrestled on the ground near the school's gymnasium.


The officer won the wrestling match by handcuffing the child, who was then taken to the school's office
That paints a whole different picture.
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Old 03-08-2012, 01:44 AM   #10
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Hmmm.... what's wrong with me? Am I too soft to the kids?

I raised my daughter with absolutely no violence (never hit or slap her). She is a now (26) a lovely young lady, happily married, and work with autistic kids. As a behavior therapist she knows how to communicate and get progress without brutality or punishment.
Should she call the cops each time she's having a problem with kids? I don't think so.
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Old 03-08-2012, 01:49 AM   #11
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I don't think the "cops were called" I think he was already there, maybe as a security measure, it's pretty popular these days to have officers at schools, you can thank Columbine for that.

Also, "working with autistic kids" and working at a public school outside of Chicago is not exactly the same thing.
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Old 03-08-2012, 02:11 AM   #12
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This unnecessary brutality will leave deep scars in kid’s memory.
Its just a way of conditioning them for submission for later life. Just like 12+ years of mandatory school ingrains hierarchy and submission to authority into children for later life. Its a way of control.

Treat people like cattle from the moment they are born and they wont know any different. Easy.
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Old 03-08-2012, 03:34 AM   #13
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Because if you lay a single finger on that child the parents will sue you.
..in america
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Old 03-08-2012, 05:02 AM   #14
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Brutality?

Hardly. I don't know what the kids act like where you come from, but some kids in America can be pretty insane little monsters. Sometimes they just need a 'fish slap' (thanks Adam Sandler) to calm them down. In this case, the fish slap is handcuffs in front of their peers.

Non-story. Move along.
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Old 03-08-2012, 05:17 AM   #15
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Brutality?

Hardly. I don't know what the kids act like where you come from, but some kids in America can be pretty insane little monsters. Sometimes they just need a 'fish slap' (thanks Adam Sandler) to calm them down. In this case, the fish slap is handcuffs in front of their peers.

Non-story. Move along.
Well when police need to handcuff kids that means a total failure for their parents and teachers.
Kids are born as "tabula raza" means they learn from adults. We make them "insane little monsters".

If we all move along, what would be next? Fish slap babies in cradle if they cry?
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Old 03-08-2012, 07:55 AM   #16
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Well when police need to handcuff kids that means a total failure for their parents and teachers.
Kids are born as "tabula raza" means they learn from adults. We make them "insane little monsters".

If we all move along, what would be next? Fish slap babies in cradle if they cry?
It would be hard for anyone to say I am apt to take a cops side if they are doing wrong. The kid took off when he was already in police custody, you shouldn't be surprised he was cuffed under that circumstance. While I will agree this is a huge failing on the parents, teacher and administrators, you cannot blame the police for that. The people who should have been handling this all see that a cop is present and relinquish responsibility, instead of taking it. The police man is just doing the best he can with what he has. I would have not thought twice about cuffing the boy after he ran the 1st time, if for no other reason than to try and convey the seriousness of the situation.
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Old 03-08-2012, 08:36 AM   #17
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I agree, real problem was swiped under polices rug. You made some nice point.
Still it is hard to me to imagine small hands handcuffed.
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Old 03-08-2012, 10:03 AM   #18
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Hmmm.... what's wrong with me? Am I too soft to the kids?

I raised my daughter with absolutely no violence (never hit or slap her). She is a now (26) a lovely young lady, happily married, and work with autistic kids. As a behavior therapist she knows how to communicate and get progress without brutality or punishment.
Should she call the cops each time she's having a problem with kids? I don't think so.
I would say you were a good parent with a good kid - you would have taken the time to explain what she should or should not do and she paid attention to it.
However, many parents, if they're even both involved, just don't trake the time and/or do anything other than yell and whack their kids. Many are to freaking stupid and delinquent in their actions that their kids have little chance of getting any discipline or 'training' in how to behave and so these sorts of incidents occur.
What concerns me more is the PC bullcrap that has 5 and 6 year olds condemned as sex offenders for playing 'doctors and nurses'. That have bullied kids that strike back put under 'treatment' while doing nothing about the instigating bullies. There are many problems and so much time wasted on trivialities.
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Old 03-08-2012, 03:13 PM   #19
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Well when police need to handcuff kids that means a total failure for their parents and teachers.
Kids are born as "tabula raza" means they learn from adults. We make them "insane little monsters".

If we all move along, what would be next? Fish slap babies in cradle if they cry?
I am not saying the kid needed handcuffs. I am saying the cop made a call to put the child in handcuffs. Most likely it was to cover his own behind - in restraints the child is less likely to hurt himself or others, and the officer is less likely to see any direct liability should the child hurt himself. The fish slap I am talking about is the sort of act that can get an otherwise unruly person to act like a civil human being. I agree that the parents have failed. The teachers? No. As a society we have allowed our public school teachers to be painted into a corner. We expect them to educate and babysit, taking neither act too far into the realm of morality -- and act shocked when children lash out. And even more shocked, still, when teachers and administrators call professionals to handle it.

It seems to me there is an inherent lack of confidence when it comes to any judgment calls being made by the very people we entrust our children to on a daily basis. To what extent should we allow judgment calls to be made if we also expect all the other things to be carried out safely, efficiently, and effectively?

You are absolutely correct that children learn from adults. Children also learn from other children. Moving along doesn't mean ignore the issue of police brutality. It means move along from this incident. I understand your implicit message that someone needs to take a stand on issues involving children. I just don't believe this incident warrants any more attention than it already has.

On a side note, there is no reason to push examples to the extreme to make your point. Your 'babies in the cradle' example was downright silly. I understand you disagree with the action of the police officer, but let's at least try to keep arguments within sanity's reach.
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Old 03-08-2012, 09:40 PM   #20
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If we all move along, what would be next? Fish slap babies in cradle if they cry?
Do you ever listen to yourself and think 'LOL'?
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