[amelveEnromma]

The schools have made our children collectivists. The up coming generations all seem to have this entitlement mind set. I guess thats why the 99% thing went over so well. I dont know.

The Professor in the vid is an example how education should work. A lot of people somehow believe that the govt is like the tooth faerie generating money out of thin air. But as they pooint out in the video... as soon as the students realize that its their money too... they start to understand.

Scary prospects for the future me thinks!

[Kennypor]

The schools have made our children collectivists. The up coming generations all seem to have this entitlement mind set. I guess thats why the 99% thing went over so well. I dont know.

The Professor in the vid is an example how education should work. A lot of people somehow believe that the govt is like the tooth faerie generating money out of thin air. But as they pooint out in the video... as soon as the students realize that its their money too... they start to understand.

Scary prospects for the future me thinks!

Boy do I disagree with you. First of all, RE: the professor. The guy admitted to going through some girl's purse! NO WAY is that justified, regardless of what he was trying to demonstrate. Second, if the government has the money to bail out the banks to the tune of trillions of dollars, why doesn't the government have the money to pay for college and houses and healthcare for it's citizens? Keep in mind, the people can't opt out of paying income tax, or sales tax, or inflation tax, or any other tax. We aren't like GE, who not only paid 0 taxes last year but received a rebate/bailout/call it whatever you want. The people get nothing for free, we pay for it. Have you watched this important video yet? http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthre...oration+nation
Hundreds of trillions of dollars in assets on the books, and you better believe that I'm 'entitled' to my fair share- as are those kids.

dys

[NEronchik]

The government operates under a charter that exists as a charitable trust. This is the only entity in Law that exists as in perpetuity. All other entities expire within 99 years if not earlier. A trust ceases to exist when its' last beneficiary dies or it runs out of funds (or credit as the case may be). The U.S. ran out of money a few decades ago and has been operating solely on credit (mostly because the U.S. dollar is needed to purchase Arab oil). If you believe in its' credit then it still exists. On the other hand it has many beneficiaries so it will likely exist as long as it can pay them in credit that nobody else wants.

I am neither a beneficiary nor accept its' credit. Can't blame me if it survives.

[Kennypor]

I believe in its assets. You know, real stuff like PMs, houses, food, water, weapons, etc.

dys

[soydaykam]

You know its a funnny thing. If a group of people were sending their young off to learn criminal activities and how to steal from others, that group of people would be held accountable for their actions.

Yet when people send their children to these MARXIST public schools, where they will learn collectivism, and how to steal from me later in life, they are rewarded.

The host tried implying that these young kids lerned collectivism from the OWS movement. LAUGHABLE. They learned it under the 10th Plank of the Communist Manifesto: #10 - Free education for all children in Public Schools. They learned it from their parents, who are brain dead sheep bah bah bah-ing along in life.

I know that the young people in school right now are my political enemy, and an enemy to the Republic. Since i can spot the enemy now, am i justified in stopping the enemy, and making sure they cannot operate their plans?

[NEronchik]

Since i can spot the enemy now, am i justified in stopping the enemy, and making sure they cannot operate their plans?

Vattel states that a declaration must come before an actual enemy can be created.

[leahjhburton]

A true bell curve: 10% wants .gov to have minimal impact in their lives, 80% want the unearned freebie, the final 10%...hmmm....what do they think? The new math...
AT

[Kennypor]

A true bell curve: 10% wants .gov to have minimal impact in their lives, 80% want the unearned freebie, the final 10%...hmmm....what do they think? The new math...
AT

Except for one thing- unearned freebies are normally not unearned. Chew on that for awhile.

dys

[leahjhburton]

Indeed Dys...understood and accepted in the intent in which it was stated....

[Shark&Nike]

Nobody is entitled to something that another has earned. Unless it is freely given of course. When the gubbermint takes it from me by force and gives it to someone who has not earned it, that is called theft.

[hojutok]

Nobody is entitled to something that another has earned. Unless it is freely given of course. When the gubbermint takes it from me by force and gives it to someone who has not earned it, that is called theft.

Welcome to the Jungle, Goatman.

[otheloComRole]

Perception is reality. If these kids have seen nothing but Government as a provider their whole lives, what is to make them see otherwise? Since the demise of the dollar is a mathematical certainty, their reality will soon be shattered and they will have to pick up the pieces in a much different world.

[NEronchik]

A kid's perception is that a dollar has the value of $.02. A soda costs a buck. A tank of gas costs $40.

Thirty years from now (when they have aged enough to have some perspective) the value of the dollar will be $.0004. A soda will cost $50 and a tank of gas will cost $2,000. Minimum wage will be raised to $20 an hour (just to be fair to the working class).

[Kennypor]

Nobody is entitled to something that another has earned. Unless it is freely given of course. When the gubbermint takes it from me by force and gives it to someone who has not earned it, that is called theft.

True, but that isn't what happens in the system we have right now, so it's irrelevant.

dys

[Shark&Nike]

..... but that isn't what happens in the system we have right now.....

That is precisely the system we have in place currently. I am forced at gunpoint to pay taxes and the government redistributes my money to those who have not earned it. Sure, they also pave my roads and secure our borders...well, at least they pave my roads, but a portion of what was confiscated from me winds up in the hands of people who have not worked for it. All in the name of fairness of course. Social justice is just communism light.

[Kennypor]

That is precisely the system we have in place currently. I am forced at gunpoint to pay taxes and the government redistributes my money to those who have not earned it. Sure, they also pave my roads and secure our borders...well, at least they pave my roads, but a portion of what was confiscated from me winds up in the hands of people who have not worked for it. All in the name of fairness of course. Social justice is just communism light.

That is not what happens at all. You are forced to pay taxes at gunpoint (you are also forced to pay the worst tax of all- the inflation tax, but that's another matter). The money that is collected is invested, not redistributed. These investments are supposed to be our money. As in, we the people. These people that have an 'entitlement mentality' are ironically actually entitled to their fair share of these investments (we can debate about fair shares, but it's a heck of a lot more than what they get so the debate wouldn't be practically applicable). Your enmity is displaced. The real criminals/enemies are not the proles that clamor for the table scraps, they are the individuals, special interests, corporations, et al that plunder, control, and syphon these assets at the expense of everyone else (even including the non productive). Keep in mind that these same criminals are the ones that love to encourage the 'blame the victim' mentality that you display.

dys

[Shark&Nike]

These people that have an 'entitlement mentality' are ironically actually entitled to their fair share of these investments (we can debate about fair shares, but it's a heck of a lot more than what they get so the debate wouldn't be practically applicable).

Not saying that you are wrong, but what exactly is the "fair share" someone who pays no federal income tax? I broadly agree with your assessment of who the real criminals are. But the government screwed up and created an entire class of people who have a cradle to grave entitlement mentality. Roughly speaking, we buy things with our labor. Be that mental labor, physical labor, or the ability to perform a special function to society. If I can create something as a result of my labor and get people to give me money (earned with their labor) for it, I have earned that money (and nobody else has a right to it). If I sit on a couch and watch television all day, what have I earned? Why is the government rewarding people to have children out of wedlock by paying them money that someone else has earned for each bundle of joy they pop out? How does this benefit society? What function or labor has been performed? What has been created (besides another mouth to feed)? And why do we call these people victims? Blame the corporations? Not to say that they are blameless (they aren't), but they wouldn't exist if they didn't produce something. GE might move all it's jobs offshore and pay nothing in taxes, but they couldn't exist if people didn't buy their appliances.

[Kennypor]

I think you are grossly exaggerating the amount of people that sit on their couch and watch television all day. As in, I'd imagine that it's close to 0. In my state, 'welfare' is around 250 bucks a month and it's for a limited time. Forget housing unless you are an illegal immigrant or you are a single mother living in a shelter. Even those on welfare are earning money to some degree, albeit most of the money is likely off the books. But even off the books money is taxed. Sales taxes, tolls, traffic citations, licensing fees, utility taxes, excise taxes, etc...And don't forget the inflation tax.
I agree with you that no one else has a right to money that you earn. Especially not the people that take the money that you earn, and it is NOT those that have an entitlement mentality.

Why is the government rewarding people to have children out of wedlock by paying them money that someone else has earned for each bundle of joy they pop out? That is a mischaracterization of what happens. Again, what happens is that the government takes the money you earn and invests it. They buy stock, preferred stock, PMs, guns and ammo, real estate, interest earning CDs, money market funds, foreign currencies, futures contracts, options, trusts, MBOs, etc etc. Technically speaking I guess you could say that the government gives a very small amount (as in, almost nonexistently small) of the profit that they've earned from previous investments to people for having children out of wedlock. Peanuts, really...in comparison to the REAL spending sinks like the CIA, military industrial complex, etc...

How does this benefit society? What function or labor has been performed? What has been created (besides another mouth to feed)? And why do we call these people victims? Blame the corporations? Not to say that they are blameless (they aren't), but they wouldn't exist if they didn't produce something. GE might move all it's jobs offshore and pay nothing in taxes, but they couldn't exist if people didn't buy their appliances. The fractitional reserve system loaded with exemptions and waivers is the one that creates nonproductive people and not the other way around. And even if it didn't, these assets that the government is supposedly holding in trust belong to us, anyway. Regardless of productivity. Now if you gave everyone their fair share and liberated all the fraudulently acquired assets from banks, insurance companies, and other criminality you might be on to something. Other than that, you are blaming the victims. They are victims because THEIR money and THEIR assets are being withheld from them.

dys

edit to add: check out this documentary and this thread to see what really happens to your tax dollars: http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthre...oration+nation

[baskentt]

I think you are grossly exaggerating the amount of people that sit on their couch and watch television all day. As in, I'd imagine that it's close to 0. In my state, 'welfare' is around 250 bucks a month and it's for a limited time. Forget housing unless you are an illegal immigrant or you are a single mother living in a shelter. Even those on welfare are earning money to some degree, albeit most of the money is likely off the books. But even off the books money is taxed. Sales taxes, tolls, traffic citations, licensing fees, utility taxes, excise taxes, etc...And don't forget the inflation tax.

dys, I don't remember where you live. Northeast I think. Anyway, come to The Peoples Republic of ILLinois. You will find plenty of freeloaders. Go walk around East Saint Louis (scratch that you would need an armed escort literally). There are whole areas, even small white trash towns, that are crawling with welfare/disablility kings and queens.

[baskentt]

I read this back around Christmas. I think this is a good thread for this.

A Christmas Gift for My Daughter


This article was originally published in December, 2002. A previous version of it was published on December 25, 1966, dedicated to Harry’s then 9-year-old daughter.

It’s Christmas, and I have the usual problem of deciding what to give you. I know you might enjoy many things – books, games, clothes.

But I’m very selfish. I want to give you something that will stay with you for more than a few months or years. I want to give you a gift that might remind you of me every Christmas.

If I could give you just one thing, I’d want it to be a simple truth that took me many years to learn. If you learn it now, it may enrich your life in hundreds of ways. And it may save your having to face many problems that have hurt people who’ve never learned it.

The truth is simply this:

No one owes you anything.

Significance

How could such a simple statement be important? It may not seem so, but understanding it can bless your entire life.

No one owes you anything.

It means that no one else is living for you, my child. Because no one is you. Each person is living for himself; his own happiness is all he can ever personally feel.

When you realize that no one owes you happiness or anything else, you’ll be freed from expecting what isn’t likely to be.

It means no one has to love you. If someone loves you, it’s because there’s something special about you that gives him happiness. Find out what that something special is and try to make it stronger in you, so that you’ll be loved even more.

When people do things for you, it’s because they want to – because you, in some way, give them something meaningful that makes them want to please you, not because anyone owes you anything.

No one has to like you. If your friends want to be with you, it’s not out of duty. Find out what makes others happy so they’ll want to be near you.

No one has to respect you. Some people may even be unkind to you. But once you realize that people don’t have to be good to you, and may not be good to you, you’ll learn to avoid those who would harm you. For you don’t owe them anything either.

Living your Life

No one owes you anything.

You owe it to yourself to be the best person possible. Because if you are, others will want to be with you, want to provide you with the things you want in exchange for what you’re giving to them.

Some people will choose not to be with you for reasons that have nothing to do with you. When that happens, look elsewhere for the relationships you want. Don’t make someone else’s problem your problem.

Once you learn that you must earn the love and respect of others, you’ll never expect the impossible and you won’t be disappointed. Others don’t have to share their property with you, nor their feelings or thoughts.

If they do, it’s because you’ve earned these things. And you have every reason to be proud of the love you receive, your friends’ respect, the property you’ve earned. But don’t ever take them for granted. If you do, you could lose them. They’re not yours by right; you must always earn them.

My experience

A great burden was lifted from my shoulders the day I realized that no one owes me anything. For so long as I’d thought there were things I was entitled to, I’d been wearing myself out – physically and emotionally – trying to collect them.

No one owes me moral conduct, respect, friendship, love, courtesy, or intelligence. And once I recognized that, all my relationships became far more satisfying. I’ve focused on being with people who want to do the things I want them to do.

That understanding has served me well with friends, business associates, lovers, sales prospects, and strangers. It constantly reminds me that I can get what I want only if I can enter the other person’s world. I must try to understand how he thinks, what he believes to be important, what he wants. Only then can I appeal to someone in ways that will bring me what I want.

And only then can I tell whether I really want to be involved with someone. And I can save the important relationships for those with whom I have the most in common.

It’s not easy to sum up in a few words what has taken me years to learn. But maybe if you re-read this gift each Christmas, the meaning will become a little clearer every year.

I hope so, for I want more than anything else for you to understand this simple truth that can set you free. This is the site of the author (deceased). I don't recall the name.

http://www.harrybrowne.org/