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Old 01-29-2012, 07:09 PM   #1
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Default Why Newty & Insanitorium can't win nomination and are only in to block Ron Paul
Best explanation I've ran across to date.

No matter what the media wants you to believe, It’s already a two-man race. Of the 2,286 total Republican delegates, 1,144 are needed to win nomination. In five States: Virginia, Missouri, Ohio, Tennessee and Illinois, Gingrich and Santorum are not even on the ballot. That’s 564 delegates that they cannot get. After South Carolina, only 59 delegates have been allocated to the 4 candidates. Mitt Romney has 39 of those. This means Santorum or Gingrich has to pick up 1,144 delegates from the remaining 1,683. Let’s say that Paul only picks up 20% of the total number of delegates–I happen to believe he will do much better–but let’s pick 20%. That’s 457 delegates for Paul. Add that to the 564 that Newt and Santorum won’t have a shot at and now there are 1,021 delegates that Santorum and Gingrich have no chance of getting. Subtract that 1,021 from the total 2,286 and you’re left with 1,265 delegates. That means that Gingrich and Santorum, one or the other, have to pick up over 90% of the available delegates to get the nomination.
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Old 01-29-2012, 07:26 PM   #2
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Best explanation I've ran across to date.

No matter what the media wants you to believe, It’s already a two-man race. Of the 2,286 total Republican delegates, 1,144 are needed to win nomination. In five States: Virginia, Missouri, Ohio, Tennessee and Illinois, Gingrich and Santorum are not even on the ballot. That’s 564 delegates that they cannot get. After South Carolina, only 59 delegates have been allocated to the 4 candidates. Mitt Romney has 39 of those. This means Santorum or Gingrich has to pick up 1,144 delegates from the remaining 1,683. Let’s say that Paul only picks up 20% of the total number of delegates–I happen to believe he will do much better–but let’s pick 20%. That’s 457 delegates for Paul. Add that to the 564 that Newt and Santorum won’t have a shot at and now there are 1,021 delegates that Santorum and Gingrich have no chance of getting. Subtract that 1,021 from the total 2,286 and you’re left with 1,265 delegates. That means that Gingrich and Santorum, one or the other, have to pick up over 90% of the available delegates to get the nomination.
I'm not sure how it all works, but if Romney doesn't get enough either, what happens?
Can another candidate give their delegates to him if they drop out.
Or, if none have enough, does Obama win?
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Old 01-29-2012, 07:47 PM   #3
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Old 01-29-2012, 07:59 PM   #4
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I'm not sure how it all works, but if Romney doesn't get enough either, what happens?
Can another candidate give their delegates to him if they drop out.
Or, if none have enough, does Obama win?
There HAS to be winner, period.

No, delegates can't in the long run be "given", they are bound through (1,2) rounds of votes and for some states they're not even really bound for the 1st vote. After that they become unbound and that when the negotiating starts.

RP/Mitt could say that he would pledge his delegates to "X" but if the delegates wouldn't do it, they don't have to. The delegates dictate what goes on and the lovers of the Liberty movement and budging for anything or anyone but RP.
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Old 01-29-2012, 08:08 PM   #5
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Best explanation I've ran across to date.

No matter what the media wants you to believe, It’s already a two-man race. Of the 2,286 total Republican delegates, 1,144 are needed to win nomination. In five States: Virginia, Missouri, Ohio, Tennessee and Illinois, Gingrich and Santorum are not even on the ballot. That’s 564 delegates that they cannot get. After South Carolina, only 59 delegates have been allocated to the 4 candidates. Mitt Romney has 39 of those. This means Santorum or Gingrich has to pick up 1,144 delegates from the remaining 1,683. Let’s say that Paul only picks up 20% of the total number of delegates–I happen to believe he will do much better–but let’s pick 20%. That’s 457 delegates for Paul. Add that to the 564 that Newt and Santorum won’t have a shot at and now there are 1,021 delegates that Santorum and Gingrich have no chance of getting. Subtract that 1,021 from the total 2,286 and you’re left with 1,265 delegates. That means that Gingrich and Santorum, one or the other, have to pick up over 90% of the available delegates to get the nomination.
This is exactly right, and why it is imperative that we all keep fighting harder than ever, it is make or break.

I was talking with my wife the other day who was feeling discouraged after arguing with a lot of people on FB and shitter about RP. I said the reason RP went from less than 4% in SC in 08 to nearly 14% in 2012 is people like us, talking, debating, explaining. This huge increase in interest was not helped by the MSM in fact the opposite. So it is We The People who wage this war of ideas. I have turned a good number of people on to RP, who in turn have turned others on, one of them calls into local talk radio almost everyday. It is a snowball and I am very encouraged from what I have seen happen in that regard. We all need to remember especially online, when we are discussing/debating RP you are not just doing it for the person you are talking to but the hundreds or thousands who may read the exchange. I debate people online regularly and very rarely do I ever hope to change that persons mind, the only reason I even debate at all is to present my ideas to others who read it later.

Stay vigilant and keep fighting, the good thing is once you wake someone up to RP you never lose them.
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