[hiedeemom]

A guy on another non-pm forum I frequent started a thread asking about the best places to buy/sell gold and silver.

Now the members of this site will pretty much burn you at the cross if you start into any conspiracy/non mainsteam info. So I decided to have some fun.

I asked the OP why he would want to own gold/silver?

2 answers I got

The question is why would you want to sell it... it's speculated to go to $9000 per ounce in due time.

Cause it's a good investment... Value always goes up...

So then I asked :

Why is it specualted to go to 9000 per ounce?

Who is speculating that it will go to $9000 per ounce?

Why does the value always go up? It went up in the early 80's then crashed back down.

I got no really good answers, a couple people even came in with ya you can't eat gold or silver and other stupid ass arguments. I did get one decent reply though:

Why it will keep going up over time... they no longer have to back printed money with gold !

Then I replied by posting that video of the stupid news anchor saying gold and silver aren't backed by anything but the dollar is backed by the federal reserve...LOL

No good replies at all.

It seems the majority of people still don't have a clue. This tells me its still time to buy.

[DextExexy]

If silver were to go from $1.00 to $10.00 that would mean that a roll of tp went from 0.10 cents to $1.00 so that what I am doing by holding silver is to preserve the value of the $ and not as an investment to make more mony.

[Ocqljudq]

I avg'd in at 16, bring the fall or the rise, I dont care. I have reasons though where you are getting a blank there. Almost anyone here can give you good reasons both ways.

[Rithlilky]

I was a little disappointed though. Not enough takers.

I didn't even get to call gold a barberious relic...LOL

[IACJdKfU]

But,but but.......gold ...its backed by nothing......

[QXCharles]

What can gold do that other metals can't? Riddle me that.

[hitaEtela]

What can gold do that other metals can't? Riddle me that.

1. Be rare
2. Be desired (my precious!)
3. Be portable (compared to copper of the same value ... a dump truck might be required)
4. Be classed in law as "portable soil"

[HonestSean]

Start/stop wars.

[WebDocMan]

But,but but.......gold ...its backed by nothing......

Gold backs itself the same way that a really beutifull woman does it......only one of it's kind.

[legal-advicer]

What can gold do that other metals can't? Riddle me that.

Be money.

[Zhgrlpil]

I guess the question I'm asking is, "Why is gold valuable?" And apparently the answer is its rare, compact and shiny (beautiful). I guess I was hoping it had some intrinsic value but it really doesn't?

[Anckzxik]

I guess I was hoping it had some intrinsic value but it really doesn't?

Check this then:

http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials...oom071008.html

If you go to the website at http://www.rexresearch.com/ormes/ormes.htm you will see details of British Patent # GB 2,219,995 A , which was registered in the name of David Radius Hudson on December 28, 1989.
Here are two quotations from that document:

1. “This invention relates to the monoatomic forms of certain transition and noble metal elements, namely, gold, silver, copper, cobalt, nickel and the six platinum group elements. More particularly, this invention relates to the separation of the aforesaid transition and noble metal elements from naturally occurring materials in their orbitally rearranged monoatomic forms, and to the preparation of the aforesaid transition and noble metal elements in their orbitally rearranged monoatomic forms from their commercial metallic forms. The materials of this invention are stable, substantially pure, non-metallic-like forms of the aforesaid transition and noble metal elements, and have a hereto unknown electron orbital rearrangement in the "d", "s", and vacant "p" orbitals. The electron rearrangement bestows upon the monoatomic elements unique electronic, chemical, magnetic, and physical properties which have commercial application.”
2. “The ORMEs [orbitally rearranged monoatomic elements] of this invention can be used for a wide range of purposes due to their unique electrical, physical, magnetic, and chemical properties. The present disclosure only highlights superconductivity and catalysis, but much wider potential uses exist, including energy production.”

The potential for technological innovation that is implicit in this last sentence is examined in Beyond Neanderthal, the storyline of which connects all the visible gold related dots – which date back to the time of the Ancient Egyptians, then through the period when Sir Isaac Newton began to understand Gold’s true underlying value, to, finally, the present day.
The above patent registration document names “energy production” as one application of this astoundingly versatile material. Another will be in the field of agricultural yields; as is also explained in the novel.
To get a feel for the potential of gold in agricultural technologies, the reader might refer to the news article published in January 2008 at http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599...-23109,00.html . If the connection is not immediately apparent to you then I commend you to order a copy of my novel at www.beyondneanderthal.com . All is revealed.
To get a feel for the energy technology potential of gold, the following quote from a lecture given by Mr Hudson might get your juices going:
“This [gold derived, electrically superconductive] material [when charged with electrical energy] is so sensitive to magnetic fields that when it goes to the white powder form and loses 4/9ths of its weight, what it is doing is flowing light within it, in response to the earth's magnetic field. There is so much current flowing in it that it levitates 4/9ths of its weight ON THE EARTH'S MAGNETIC FIELD. Your hand has sufficient amperage that if passed under this tube [in which the powder is contained], the material floats, it is that sensitive to magnetic fields.”
It took me a couple of years of thinking about this information and of digging into the original Old Testament scripture references to gold – as Sir Isaac Newton had apparently done – before I finally approached a Rabbi and asked him the following question. “Tell me Rabbi, what was it about gold that gave it such a high profile importance in the Torah?”
That question led to a series of one-on-one lectures that were so complicated that the Rabbi himself had difficulty in interpreting the original Kabbalah references. In summary, from Kabbalist and other sources, the following emerged:
There are ten levels in all of creation. The top three are “not of this world” and the bottom seven are “of this world”. Further, as the quantum physicists are beginning to understand, the Universe is not only infinitely large it also infinitely small. There are wheels within wheels within wheels. Within each discrete wheel, these same ten levels exist. Gold, it appears, is “not of this world”. It is in the second highest level of all that exists. Silver, on the other hand, is in the top level of the bottom seven levels. Energetically speaking, it is at the highest level that is “of this world”. Remember that it was the shekel (made from silver) that was used as money in the days of the bible. Gold, it turns out, was never money. It had a far more important role – which was why it was so prized, and which was also why there was so much emphasis placed on gold in the Holy Temple.
This latter fact was also why Sir Isaac Newton was so interested in gold. Newton was possessed of one of the finest minds in all of human history. Given the limitations of the scientific knowledge of the day, he could only go so far before he finally hit a dead end, but he came to understand that there was more to gold than met the eye. And, with the light of understanding having dawned in his mind, Newton did the only practical thing he could: He resigned his position as a University professor, positioned himself to be appointed Master of the Royal Mint and, finally, he put Great Britain on a Gold Standard. This ensured that Britain’s gold would be stored all in one place, under lock and key and within easy reach.

Conclusion
We now have a direction: Based on the above evidence, which modern science is only now beginning to validate, gold is without doubt the most valuable substance on the planet – if not in all existence. It appears to have the power to lift humanity to a new level in its evolutionary journey. Its linkage with tangible “money” was merely facile – to sow the seed of understanding that it had a value that was beyond comprehension in days gone by.
But this was not the only discovery that emerged from my investigations. By comparing the Kabbalist explanation of the origins of the Universe with the Chinese I-Ching explanation (they confirm one another), it became apparent that the Ancients probably knew more about energy than we do today. And the deeper I dug the more convinced I became that they were probably in possession of other energy technologies that we are only now beginning to understand. Again, connecting the dots, there appears to be a direct linkage between what was known by some in 3,113 BCE and what we are beginning to discover about Zero Point energy and so-called “Dark” Energy. Over-Unity energy production may, after all, turn out to be feasible, despite modern day physicists’ conviction to the contrary when they cite the laws of thermodynamics. One relevant connecting dot is another modern day patent for another technology (unrelated to gold), which lies at the end of a series that joins the Kabbalah and the I-Ching dots with other dots uncovered by Rene Descartes (1596 -1650); James Clerk-Maxwell (1831 – 1879), Nikola Tesla (1856 – 1943) and, very likely, Nils Bohr, (1885 – 1962). This one, Sir Isaac appears to have missed.
Finally, if you look at the 80 year chart 2 above, you will note that the lower curved trend line and the upper trend line intersect – you guessed it – in the year 2012. This is the same year that both the Mayan Calendar and the Chinese I-Ching forecast will be the culminating year of the current epoch. As my late father might have put it: “Some of the people who lived in those days must have been really smart cookies”.
The Challenge
Whilst the above may or may not be very interesting, the reality is that, at present, it can only be categorised as “pseudo science”. The technical risks are too high for Private Enterprise to pursue these avenues of investigation. Private Enterprise is driven by Return on Investment – end of discussion.
So, how do we deliver these nascent energy technologies from the womb? More importantly, given the macro sell signals on the markets and the possible economic implications of these sell signals, what the hell do we do? What we do – as is explained in Beyond Neanderthal – is we shift the paradigm of our thinking to embrace ideas that might have seemed impractical in days gone by. We stop worrying about ROI and we start worrying about survival. When the ship springs a leak, you don’t shop around for the best price. You get off your backside and you fix it, regardless of financial cost!! We have a direction.

Overall Conclusion
You should order a copy of Beyond Neanderthal. It is no ordinary novel. Via its light-hearted and entertaining storyline, it lays out the entire mind-blowing jigsaw puzzle that took the author over 40 years to assemble. Yes, humanity is approaching the end of an old epoch, but the evidence suggest that we can also look forward to the dawning of a magnificent future – provided the politicians are brought to heel. They need to be reminded that they are society’s servants, not its masters. For example, they need our permission to take decisions which may threaten our future existence – like encouraging, via tax breaks, the turning of food into biofuels; and like moving to embrace Nuclear Fission.
Primum Non Nocere. “First, do no harm.” (Hippocrates (ca. 460-ca.377 B.C.).
Orders can be placed at www.beyondneanderthal.com . It has been crafted so that most men and women possessed of school level science will both understand it and be entertained by it.
Brian Bloom
Australia, July 11th, 2008.

[Dweplyododo]

It can be used in electrical circuits where corrosion is not an option.

[dr-eavealer]

Check this then:

http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials...oom071008.html

Nice, ty. Yea this is the direction I was looking for.

[97dYA9L3]

Nice, ty. Yea this is the direction I was looking for.

NP, there are a few sites with information but many are copied over and over. If you find anything about ancient tech uses post it. I lost my links a while back.

[Dwerfsd]

Check this then:

http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials...oom071008.html

If you go to the website at http://www.rexresearch.com/ormes/ormes.htm you will see details of British Patent # GB 2,219,995 A , which was registered in the name of David Radius Hudson on December 28, 1989.
Here are two quotations from that document:

1. “This invention relates to the monoatomic forms of certain transition and noble metal elements, namely, gold, silver, copper, cobalt, nickel and the six platinum group elements. More particularly, this invention relates to the separation of the aforesaid transition and noble metal elements from naturally occurring materials in their orbitally rearranged monoatomic forms, and to the preparation of the aforesaid transition and noble metal elements in their orbitally rearranged monoatomic forms from their commercial metallic forms. The materials of this invention are stable, substantially pure, non-metallic-like forms of the aforesaid transition and noble metal elements, and have a hereto unknown electron orbital rearrangement in the "d", "s", and vacant "p" orbitals. The electron rearrangement bestows upon the monoatomic elements unique electronic, chemical, magnetic, and physical properties which have commercial application.”
2. “The ORMEs [orbitally rearranged monoatomic elements] of this invention can be used for a wide range of purposes due to their unique electrical, physical, magnetic, and chemical properties. The present disclosure only highlights superconductivity and catalysis, but much wider potential uses exist, including energy production.”

The potential for technological innovation that is implicit in this last sentence is examined in Beyond Neanderthal, the storyline of which connects all the visible gold related dots – which date back to the time of the Ancient Egyptians, then through the period when Sir Isaac Newton began to understand Gold’s true underlying value, to, finally, the present day.
The above patent registration document names “energy production” as one application of this astoundingly versatile material. Another will be in the field of agricultural yields; as is also explained in the novel.
To get a feel for the potential of gold in agricultural technologies, the reader might refer to the news article published in January 2008 at http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599...-23109,00.html . If the connection is not immediately apparent to you then I commend you to order a copy of my novel at www.beyondneanderthal.com . All is revealed.
To get a feel for the energy technology potential of gold, the following quote from a lecture given by Mr Hudson might get your juices going:
“This [gold derived, electrically superconductive] material [when charged with electrical energy] is so sensitive to magnetic fields that when it goes to the white powder form and loses 4/9ths of its weight, what it is doing is flowing light within it, in response to the earth's magnetic field. There is so much current flowing in it that it levitates 4/9ths of its weight ON THE EARTH'S MAGNETIC FIELD. Your hand has sufficient amperage that if passed under this tube [in which the powder is contained], the material floats, it is that sensitive to magnetic fields.”
It took me a couple of years of thinking about this information and of digging into the original Old Testament scripture references to gold – as Sir Isaac Newton had apparently done – before I finally approached a Rabbi and asked him the following question. “Tell me Rabbi, what was it about gold that gave it such a high profile importance in the Torah?”
That question led to a series of one-on-one lectures that were so complicated that the Rabbi himself had difficulty in interpreting the original Kabbalah references. In summary, from Kabbalist and other sources, the following emerged:
There are ten levels in all of creation. The top three are “not of this world” and the bottom seven are “of this world”. Further, as the quantum physicists are beginning to understand, the Universe is not only infinitely large it also infinitely small. There are wheels within wheels within wheels. Within each discrete wheel, these same ten levels exist. Gold, it appears, is “not of this world”. It is in the second highest level of all that exists. Silver, on the other hand, is in the top level of the bottom seven levels. Energetically speaking, it is at the highest level that is “of this world”. Remember that it was the shekel (made from silver) that was used as money in the days of the bible. Gold, it turns out, was never money. It had a far more important role – which was why it was so prized, and which was also why there was so much emphasis placed on gold in the Holy Temple.
This latter fact was also why Sir Isaac Newton was so interested in gold. Newton was possessed of one of the finest minds in all of human history. Given the limitations of the scientific knowledge of the day, he could only go so far before he finally hit a dead end, but he came to understand that there was more to gold than met the eye. And, with the light of understanding having dawned in his mind, Newton did the only practical thing he could: He resigned his position as a University professor, positioned himself to be appointed Master of the Royal Mint and, finally, he put Great Britain on a Gold Standard. This ensured that Britain’s gold would be stored all in one place, under lock and key and within easy reach.

Conclusion
We now have a direction: Based on the above evidence, which modern science is only now beginning to validate, gold is without doubt the most valuable substance on the planet – if not in all existence. It appears to have the power to lift humanity to a new level in its evolutionary journey. Its linkage with tangible “money” was merely facile – to sow the seed of understanding that it had a value that was beyond comprehension in days gone by.
But this was not the only discovery that emerged from my investigations. By comparing the Kabbalist explanation of the origins of the Universe with the Chinese I-Ching explanation (they confirm one another), it became apparent that the Ancients probably knew more about energy than we do today. And the deeper I dug the more convinced I became that they were probably in possession of other energy technologies that we are only now beginning to understand. Again, connecting the dots, there appears to be a direct linkage between what was known by some in 3,113 BCE and what we are beginning to discover about Zero Point energy and so-called “Dark” Energy. Over-Unity energy production may, after all, turn out to be feasible, despite modern day physicists’ conviction to the contrary when they cite the laws of thermodynamics. One relevant connecting dot is another modern day patent for another technology (unrelated to gold), which lies at the end of a series that joins the Kabbalah and the I-Ching dots with other dots uncovered by Rene Descartes (1596 -1650); James Clerk-Maxwell (1831 – 1879), Nikola Tesla (1856 – 1943) and, very likely, Nils Bohr, (1885 – 1962). This one, Sir Isaac appears to have missed.
Finally, if you look at the 80 year chart 2 above, you will note that the lower curved trend line and the upper trend line intersect – you guessed it – in the year 2012. This is the same year that both the Mayan Calendar and the Chinese I-Ching forecast will be the culminating year of the current epoch. As my late father might have put it: “Some of the people who lived in those days must have been really smart cookies”.
The Challenge
Whilst the above may or may not be very interesting, the reality is that, at present, it can only be categorised as “pseudo science”. The technical risks are too high for Private Enterprise to pursue these avenues of investigation. Private Enterprise is driven by Return on Investment – end of discussion.
So, how do we deliver these nascent energy technologies from the womb? More importantly, given the macro sell signals on the markets and the possible economic implications of these sell signals, what the hell do we do? What we do – as is explained in Beyond Neanderthal – is we shift the paradigm of our thinking to embrace ideas that might have seemed impractical in days gone by. We stop worrying about ROI and we start worrying about survival. When the ship springs a leak, you don’t shop around for the best price. You get off your backside and you fix it, regardless of financial cost!! We have a direction.

Overall Conclusion
You should order a copy of Beyond Neanderthal. It is no ordinary novel. Via its light-hearted and entertaining storyline, it lays out the entire mind-blowing jigsaw puzzle that took the author over 40 years to assemble. Yes, humanity is approaching the end of an old epoch, but the evidence suggest that we can also look forward to the dawning of a magnificent future – provided the politicians are brought to heel. They need to be reminded that they are society’s servants, not its masters. For example, they need our permission to take decisions which may threaten our future existence – like encouraging, via tax breaks, the turning of food into biofuels; and like moving to embrace Nuclear Fission.
Primum Non Nocere. “First, do no harm.” (Hippocrates (ca. 460-ca.377 B.C.).
Orders can be placed at www.beyondneanderthal.com . It has been crafted so that most men and women possessed of school level science will both understand it and be entertained by it.
Brian Bloom
Australia, July 11th, 2008.

This is now called ORMUS ..........

Is easily made from sea water and is also very good for agriculture as my pumpkins will testify.

[kimaddison]

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[Indinehon]

I guess the question I'm asking is, "Why is gold valuable?" And apparently the answer is its rare, compact and shiny (beautiful). I guess I was hoping it had some intrinsic value but it really doesn't?

Manwood on Treatise on the Law of the Forest

Even as by the Law he may enter into the ground of any of his subjects, wheresoever there are any Mynes of gold or silver to be found, and digge the land at his pleasure for the same mynes, and carry them away, for that they are things that do belong unto the king onely, in whose freehold or land soever [M.y& 10 Eliz Comm sol 312b] they chance to be found: for gold and silver are things of the most excellency, that are upon the earth: and therefore, when they are found in the land of any man, the Law doth attribute them, being things of such excellency, to belong to the most excellent person, which is the King.