[freeringsf]

Well that is odd. I was under the impression that Putin was calling the shots. Now Mevedev is telling Putin what to do?

NEVER..medvedev is a member of the clever tribe...he calls the shots.

[NEWyear]

From what I heard is that the plane that they were flying was Russian built. Sometime in the last 3 months the electrical wiring was refurbished/updated completely in Russia. I was told it was an article on bbc.com but haven't found it yet. I told him to email me the article so I'll link to it when I get it.

I have no doubt the Russian bastards had a hand in this.

[syncFisee]

Polish plane crash highlights 'lamentable' fleet

WARSAW (Reuters) - The crash of a Polish official airliner that killed the president and dozens of top officials on Saturday highlights the condition of the government's air fleet, called "lamentable" by many critics.

The government has debated whether to replace its fleet of Soviet-era airplanes used for official visits, the oldest one of which is some 40-years old, but did not take the step fearing a voter backlash over large expenditures.

"We all know these planes were in lamentable condition," said Adam Rotfeld, a prominent Polish diplomat and former foreign minister said.

"This is an enormous tragedy, but it reminds us that top state representatives should really be travelling in the safest machines available."

The Tupolev Tu-154 which crashed on Saturday in Smolensk, claiming 97 lives, was manufactured in 1990. It underwent a major overhaul last year after it was grounded several times due to technical troubles.

The government also owns a second TU-154 and four smaller Yak-40s, along with 11 helicopters.

The larger Polish planes consume much more fuel than modern airlines and need to refuel at least once on longer routes, such as when flying to the United States.

A government helicopter carrying then Prime Minister Leszek Miller crashed in cold weather in 2003 due to heavy icing. All onboard survived, but Miller had to wear a backbrace after his hospital stay.

Due to frequent groundings, Kaczynski and Prime Minister Tusk had feuded several times over who would use the second TU-154 on several state visits and European Union summits. http://in.reuters.com/article/worldN...47593620100410

[shiciapsisy]

(CNN) -- Polish President Lech Kaczynski's plane, which crashed Saturday in western Russia, killing Kaczynski and scores of other people, was overhauled last year, according to the general director of the company that performed the service.

Alexei Gusev, the general director of Aviakor Factory, told CNN that the plane, a Tupolev-154, received major refurbishing and repair in December 2009. The work included rebuilding all of the engines, he said.

His company also provided the Polish government with repair and maintenance parts for the next six years.

"The plane has been in use very little since that major repair," Gusev said. "Speaking openly, we believe that this tragedy could not have been caused by equipment failure."




http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe...ane/index.html

[Aagotiq]

The plane that crashed Saturday was 20 years old, just as old as the current Air Force One. The Pentagon is developing plans to purchase a new Air Force One fleet.





The Pentagon is considering buying a new fleet of presidential planes, known as Air Force One when the U.S. president is aboard.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates
on Wednesday told at a House Appropriations Committee hearing on the Pentagon budget that it's time for an upgrade.

"There clearly is a need for a new presidential aircraft," Gates said. "We actually have some money in the budget in 2011 to begin looking at a new Air Force One. That money will clearly ramp up in the -- in the next few years as we move in that direction."

Air Force One, with its presidential seal and white and blue paint job, is one of the most recognizable symbols of the United States of America and is the first impression the president makes at every visit abroad. The presidential aircraft carry the tail codes 28000 and 29000. The Air Force designation for the plane is VC-25A.

Over the last 10 years, Air Force One has flown an average of nearly 200,000 miles per year.

It is literally a flying office for the commander in chief for his delegation with advanced secure communications equipment. Just like a normal jetliner, Air Force One has a crew to fly the plane and attendants who prepare and serve meals and clean the aircraft. These crew members are carefully screened military personnel, with exemplary service histories.

But the fleet of planes now used to transport President Obama
-- two highly customized Boeing 747-200B series aircraft -- is aging. The first of the current aircraft were delivered 20 years ago during the administration of President George H. W. Bush.

Rep. Todd Tiahrt, R-Kan., a member of the committee and a former aerospace executive, noted that there are fewer than 20 747-200s -- the commercial model Air Force One is based on -- still in service. Tiarht said the president's aircraft is nearing a point where the operation and support costs will exceed the value of the existing planes.



http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...r-force-fleet/

[pMJWFoAWD]

Poland's finance minister Jacek Rostowski has attacked the International Monetary Fund (IMF) for encouraging governments to engage in excessive "stimulus" in 2009

...the finance ministry said the measures the central bank proposed to meet Poland's obligations towards IMF, were "inappropriate"...

great find uranian...two thumbs up! this IS to me, the official explanation. ( as well as a warning shot to any others cosidering such anti imf behavior.

don't know if Rostowski was one of those killed in the crash, but there's apparently already damage control going on. some interesting quotes from the telegraph blog:

Polish National TV has already reported journalists’ cameras have been confiscated by the Russian military. One reporter who was interviewed said that there was no fog when the plane attempted to land.

...the same weirdo Conspiracy Theorists were predicting just such a thing a couple of months back, given the good President’s opposition to the European Beast….

[Wetekemieluth]

Originally Posted by Libertarian_Guard Well that is odd. I was under the impression that Putin was calling the shots. Now Mevedev is telling Putin what to do?

NEVER..medvedev is a member of the clever tribe...he calls the shots.
Prove it.

I completely disagree.

[xsexymasterix]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-Q6cODMovU

[yxn2dC07]

M-O-S-S-A-D

[bonyclayd]

Any E-V-I-D-E-N-C-E ......... It looks like antoher case of someone hacking away in C-A-P-S ........ with nothing to back-up their statement.

C-A-P-S alone don't lend any creedence.

[goctorsurger]

Ok, a very basic rules on how agencies would do it.

If russians needed to remove polish president, they posses technology to bring it down on someone else's soil or above water. there was no need to shoot themselves in the foot by bringing it down on their own soil.

If however some foreign agency needed to knock a polish president out, it would be very VERY convenient to bring it down on russian soil. you kill polish leader AND blame the russians. non-russian intelligence agencies also have a technology to bring plane down in another country.

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In the New World Order, bad things tend to happen to leaders who aren’t team players.

[duribass]

They got the Larry McDonald treatment.

100 points ! So there are still a few that remember larry's murder.

[valensds]

Ok, a very basic rules on how agencies would do it.

If russians needed to remove polish president, they posses technology to bring it down on someone else's soil or above water. there was no need to shoot themselves in the foot by bringing it down on their own soil.

If however some foreign agency needed to knock a polish president out, it would be very VERY convenient to bring it down on russian soil. you kill polish leader AND blame the russians. non-russian intelligence agencies also have a technology to bring plane down in another country.

--
In the New World Order, bad things tend to happen to leaders who aren’t team players.

Good point FreeEnergy

[klubneras]

Originally Posted by JDRock Originally Posted by Libertarian_Guard Well that is odd. I was under the impression that Putin was calling the shots. Now Mevedev is telling Putin what to do?

NEVER..medvedev is a member of the clever tribe...he calls the shots.
Prove it.

I completely disagree.




Medvedev is Jewish, that I think is certain.

What isn't certain is where Vlad Putin's loyalties lie. There are several sites claiming he is anti-Rothschild. I am not so sure to believe it.

Took me a few minutes to find this page since GIM was stolen from us:
http://silviavideler.wordpress.com/2...-jood-te-zijn/

^
It deserves its own thread, IMO.

Personally I think Putin is in cahoots with the top international bankers. He will play the role of anti Rothschild similar to how Hitler played the anti role.


Medvedev is second tier to Putin.

[DoctorDulitlBest]

Putin, Medvedev etc. are part of the NWO. They don't play along all the time, but they do on the important stuff.
In a few years Russia and the EU will merge, if everything goes according to the NWO's plan.

Don't ask me for proof. I could link you articles in Estonian, but they wouldn't be of much use to you, so feel free to regard this as just my opinion.

[Broker15015]

'Russia engineered air crash that killed President Kaczynski,' claims Polish MP


By Mail Foreign Service
Last updated at 8:09 AM on 13th April 2010

The Russian government prevented the Polish president's plane from landing four times to divert him from a ceremony to mark the 70th anniversary of the Katyn massacre, according to an MP.

Artur Gorski said the Russians 'came up with some dubious reasons' that the aircraft couldn't land because they feared President Leck Kaczynski's presence would overshadow a similar event hosted by the Russian prime minister a few days before.

And their alleged plan ended in disaster when the Polish pilots made one final and disastrous attempt to land, killing Mr Kaczynski, his wife, and 94 others on board the plane.

'One version of events says that the plane approached the airport four times, because every time the Russians refused it permission to land - they wanted to send the plane with the president to an airport in Moscow or Minsk,' Mr Gorski claimed in an interview published in the newspaper Nasz Dziennik.

'They came up with some dubious reasons: that there was fog over the airport, and that the navigation system didn't work as it was under renovation, and that airport had a short landing strip.'

The claims were made as shocking new details emerged of the final minutes of the flight before it crashed into a Russian forest on Saturday morning.

One of the Russian air traffic controllers involved in the tragedy said he believes the Polish air force pilot Arkadiusz Protasiuk, 36, was under severe pressure 'to land at any cost' so that the president would not miss the commemoration of the death of 22,000 Poles slaughtered by Stalin.

But he claims there were also serious language problems between the control tower at the military airport near Smolensk and the crew as the aircraft began its descent, and final approach, 'without our permission'.

The crew failed to report to the ground their altitude readings, said Colonel Anatoly Muraviev, a former pilot.

He believes the captain 'was desperate to land because of the high ranking passengers he was carrying. It killed both the crew and the passengers.'

It was known that Mr Kaczynski once fired a flight crew when they refused to land at Tbilisi - and flew to another airport, he said.

'Now try to imagine yourself in chief pilot's shoes. Fear, false shame, thinking that going to another airport is a disgrace - all this led to the fact that the crew died and killed all the others. I am a former pilot myself, I understand all this very well.'

The tapes of the conversations with the flight crew have not been released - so it is unclear if there is specific evidence of an order to the captain from either the president or the military top brass on board.

Polish investigators said they will probe whether there were 'any suggestions made to the pilots' from other people aboard the plane.

Colonel Muraviev claimed there were a number of specific causes of the crash - 'weather conditions, maybe a mistake of the pilot who did not watch his altitude, and also the pilot's wish to land at any cost'.

He said the controllers and flight crew stumbled in Russian and broken English to understand each other in the final decisive seconds of the flight.

Col Muraviev claimed that the fog 'was worsening' as the Polish president's plane came into land. One flight had landed earlier but another had been redirected to Moscow.

Of Kaczynski's flight, he said: 'At first it was descending OK, according to the rules, no problems. Soon our air traffic controllers began to worry. The head of our group three times ordered the pilots to stop this attempt to land, and try one more time, while also preparing to fly to another airport because of bad visibility.

'The crew did not listen to him. So the traffic control warned them about bad visibility and the necessity to fly to another airport.

'The crew did not obey, so the controllers had only one thing to do - to carry on leading in the plane and see what happens. There was only one attempt to land and the plane crashed.'

Because it was a civilian flight, they did not have the authority to order them to another airport, he said.

He said 'mainly we spoke Russian to the crew, partly bad English. Understanding was hard.'

The Polish pilots 'began to land without our permission' and 'did not report to us with their altitude data', he added.

Another controller Pavel Plyusnin confirmed the understanding was '50-50' as the plane approached its tragic end.

'It was hard to guess here if the pilot understood us properly,' said Col Muraviev. 'The language barrier did not help of course. I think it could have affected the result of this flight along with other circumstances.'

The Polish air force yesterday defended father-of-two Captain Protasiuk, saying he 'often flew with the president and other VIPs'.

A spokesman said it was 'ruled out' that the president could have forced the pilot to land at Smolensk.

The body of Poland's first lady Maria Kaczynska was identified yesterday by her wedding ring - with her husband's name inscribed on the inside - and the colour of her finger nails. Many of the bodies are so badly mangled they will require DNA matching.

[Nubtoubrem]

This thing could set off the next World War "TPTB" are planning.

[Glamyclitlemi]

Polish prosecutor 'shoots self after news conference'

A Polish military prosecutor has shot himself in the head after cutting short a news conference in his office, officials and media reports say.

Col Mikolaj Przybyl was defending a military investigation into media leaks related to the air crash that killed the Polish president in 2010.

He asked reporters to leave so that he could take "a break".

Upon hearing a loud thud, the reporters returned to find him on the floor with a pool of blood around his head.

Mr Przybyl, who was in his office in Poznan, western Poland, is now in hospital in stable condition. His life is not in danger, according to hospital officials.

One of the reporters present told Polish television: "We heard a loud thud and we went back into the room thinking one of the cameras had fallen over. Then we saw the prosecutor motionless on the ground in a pool of blood, his military gun beside him."

In television pictures of the news conference, Col Przybyl is seen reading out a statement to reporters: "During my entire service as a civilian and later military prosecutor, I have never brought shame to the Republic of Poland and I will protect the honour of an officer of the Polish armed forces and prosecution. Thank you, please give me a five-minute break, I need to rest."

He then walks out of shot and the sound of a gun being cocked can be heard followed by a loud bang.

At the news conference, Mr Przybyl had denied prosecutors in Poznan, western Poland, had eavesdropped on journalists who were investigating the crash, AFP news agency reports.

Concern Polish President Bronislaw Komorowski has said in a statement he was "concerned" about the incident and had asked the head of the national security bureau to monitor the situation.

The plane taking then President Lech Kaczynski's delegation to a memorial service for the victims of the 1940 Katyn massacre of Polish officers by Soviet secret police crashed in thick fog in Smolensk, western Russia, on 10 April 2010.
As well as MR Kaczynski, his wife and 94 senior officials also died when the jet tried to land.

Investigators blamed pilot error.