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Old 06-14-2011, 03:51 AM   #1
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Default Are the hackers getting out of hand?
I think so, what gives them the right to steal our personal information? It seems the war on cybercrime is just beginning.
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Old 06-14-2011, 05:45 AM   #2
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If the keys are in the ignition and the engines running, some people will, some people won't.

It's the corporate giants job to ensure they lock the doors and hide the keys... Otherwise someone's gonna try sooner or later [thumbdown]
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Old 06-14-2011, 05:45 AM   #3
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Well they clearly have no 'right' otherwise it would be illegal. I don't think you have it both ways - as in be happy when they attack/own a big site for a 'good' reason in your eyes (as many are) then be unhappy when they steal your personal information.
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Old 06-14-2011, 05:46 AM   #4
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Oh and if I could hack (well was good at it and confident I could avoid detection) I probably would tbh [shocked]
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Old 06-14-2011, 05:56 AM   #5
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I think so, what gives them the right to steal our personal information? It seems the war on cybercrime is just beginning.
As technology changes, so does the nature of the crime.
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Old 06-14-2011, 06:09 AM   #6
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I think so, what gives them the right to steal our personal information? It seems the war on cybercrime is just beginning.
The company you work for undoubtedly sells personal information to third parties when people forget/can't figure out wheter to tick the box next to an ambiguously worded statement. Surely that's wrong?
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Old 06-14-2011, 06:35 AM   #7
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The company you work for undoubtedly sells personal information to third parties when people forget/can't figure out wheter to tick the box next to an ambiguously worded statement. Surely that's wrong?
I can see your point about selling information on. But that is no way a comparison to criminals stealing supposedly secure data with the intent on misusing the information for fraudulent and nefarious activities. You cannot be surely condoning their actions?
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Old 06-14-2011, 06:43 AM   #8
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I can see your point about selling information on. But that is no way a comparison to criminals stealing supposedly secure data with the intent on misusing the information for fraudulent and nefarious activities. You cannot be surely condoning their actions?
They MIGHT be doing it just to show that they can and people should be wary of using the services. Companies that sell information are DEFINITELY doing it to make money and I think that is wrong.
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Old 06-14-2011, 06:47 AM   #9
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Yeah and when those companies sell your information to scammers who use the name of that original company to lure you into a false sense of security too......
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Old 06-14-2011, 07:31 AM   #10
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Yeah and when those companies sell your information to scammers who use the name of that original company to lure you into a false sense of security too......
You have no recourse because YOU agreed to let them. No one says you have to join x site and give x site your info unless you want to.

Hackers are nothing more than the nerd version of a petty criminal.
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Old 06-14-2011, 07:37 AM   #11
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Yeah and when those companies sell your information to scammers who use the name of that original company to lure you into a false sense of security too......
Which companies?
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Old 06-14-2011, 11:15 AM   #12
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Crime, the most powerful tool you'll ever use.
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Old 06-14-2011, 02:48 PM   #13
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Depends, while it's a general invasion of privacy and possibly criminal actions, there are generally two sorts of 'hacker' (more correctly 'crackers') - those who do it for the challenge and do no harm, and those who do it explicitely to do harm and/or gain profit from it.

The first shouldn't do it and the security/IT guys should take it as a warning. The second are criminals, pure and simple, and should be punished as such - and have their fingers broken as a deterent to others!

I'm very fussy about giving details away and, as such, don't seem to have much hassle on a personal level - even SPAM is just one or two messages a month.
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Old 06-14-2011, 11:41 PM   #14
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I think something like this is needed to bring the changes that should have been done years ago. Not to mention these "hackers" are also, for the most part, on our side when it comes to us vs big companies. Now if it comes out that the info that they "stole" is being used for illegal means then they have gone to far, but that has yet to be seen.
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Old 06-15-2011, 02:58 AM   #15
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The first shouldn't do it and the security/IT guys should take it as a warning.
The problem is typically that the higher-ups in any given company want to nickel-and-dime their IT security, typically only reacting once a breach has taken place... with the constant cries of the security folks falling on deaf ears, yet they're also the first to be blamed for the security failures. [thumbdown]

So don't point fingers at the security folks... they know it's an issue, but the executives would rather line their own pockets and show better profit margins to their investors.
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Old 06-15-2011, 05:56 AM   #16
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The problem is, this.. You used to have real bankrobbers.. you know those kind that only blow up safes and steal money. Nowadays people get shot or being messed up badly because of this.

Rapid software writtings, together with poor programming personnel...The new kids do know how to hack, but no one wants to pay alot of money to have their site to be secure.

There's more profit in hacking than in (profit as in money, fame and gathered "wisdom") than to be a legal employee.

The fun part of hacking is an excuse for just a minority, most of them are just thrillseekers.
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Old 06-15-2011, 06:02 AM   #17
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The problem is typically that the higher-ups in any given company want to nickel-and-dime their IT security, typically only reacting once a breach has taken place... with the constant cries of the security folks falling on deaf ears, yet they're also the first to be blamed for the security failures.
I´m fully with LM on this one
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Old 06-15-2011, 06:57 AM   #18
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one very good reason to use secure cryptic passwords for every seperate site you login to
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Old 06-16-2011, 03:16 AM   #19
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Hackers will soon cry when the governments all step in and start controlling the Internet.
They seem to be targetting the gaming culture at the moment, won't be long....
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Old 06-16-2011, 04:00 AM   #20
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Hackers will soon cry when the governments all step in and start controlling the Internet.
They seem to be targetting the gaming culture at the moment, won't be long....
They have zero interest in the "gaming culture." Why not look into the political motivation for why they might target Sony. [rolleyes] The rest have merely been fallout from people folks looking for laughs and their 5 minutes of fame.

And unless every government takes over ever bandwidth carrier in the world, there isn't any such thing as "controlling the internet." In places such as China, sure. The rest of the world? Not likely... if they tried to control every facet of communication like that, they would experience the same fires erupting throughout the middle east.

Also, it's not like tens, if not hundreds of thousands of attempted network intrusions aren't made on a daily basis... and have been for years on end, without the govt stepping in.

Just because some folks would rather have the govt shepherd them and "take care of them" doesn't mean the rest of the world wants it. These are private corporations... if they have an issue with intruders, they need to ramp up their security to address it; not ask someone else to do it for them... which will NEVER stomp out the problem.
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