[Kneedycrype]

How is Israel at 474? Aren't Jews smart?

[forebirdo]

@Thread title:

In other news, water is wet.

[newpiknicker]

Who the **** cares about reading?

Math/science skills, WTF are they?

[TouccuraLar]

I know quite a few Chinamen that have moved here to take advantage of American education.

I also know a number of Vietnamese, Japanese, Koreans, and Taiwanese who made the same decision.

[soSldI4i]

Important aspects of teh chart:

China = yellow
US = commies
Whites = sad because Asians beat them
Muslims = misfits
Black = bottom of the list

[VINPELA]

Israel!

[Fausqueuego]

dat reminds me of the joke (witch i will post so u can c how awful it is)..

Y do da poly boys need so many bathro0ms? ...


... So hitler wont no witch shower 2 ho0k da gas 2

[DoctorNiCYDEn]

din0saur

[griddle]

This thread isn't really interesting enough to revisit, Hera.

[Breeriacoirl]

Thanks for your contribution. Sadly, you missed the point as usual.

[Hpdovoxm]

Actually, in this case. That's a fair assessment.

[JTS_tv]

The quality is schools in the U.S. is rested heavily on local property taxes and standards of living within the surrounding community. For example, the high school I'm teaching is terrible and churns out functionally illiterate adults. It's a far cry from the type of environment I grew up with.

60 years ago, it probably wouldn't have been that bad given the plethora of blue collar jobs paying living wages but today, a high school graduate who doesn't go to college or trade school will be condemned to a life of poverty unless they are some kind of entrepreneurial genius

It's not hard to envision a future where a large swath of the U.S. population is a permanently underemployed/unemployed and those with education or connections make up a small middle and upper class.

[pedFlicle]

Who the **** cares about reading?

Math/science skills, WTF are they?

That is in the vdare link he posted earlier. Our government will only release the scores for the focus of each test in a detailed fashion so you have to go back to 2003/2006 to get data for math and science for America atleast.

This test is not particularly important, and easy to game so I wouldn't put too much stock into the results. Still American business spending does confirm these results, namely that they are having zero trouble finding qualified workers.

[halfstreet]

I feel like haven't been teaching long enough to give a qualified answer. There is no one simple answer. The current state of education in the U.S. is a result of combination of problems that encompass sociological, cultural, and economic factors.

I will try to project my thoughts as someone teaching in a underachieving high school within a poor neighborhood.

Let me tell you the differences between a good school district in an affluent neighborhood and a poor school is like night and day. The curriculum of the standard U.S. government class I am teaching is like something out of middle school. When these kids graduate, they are simply not prepared for the real world job market.

As a teacher, I can only do so much. For example, there are students who flat out refuse to do homework and no amount contact with the parents seems to help. Many parents simply aren't involved in the lives of their children and as a consequence, there is no real incentive to do well. Sometimes the parents are just plan bad but more often than not, these students come from families with financial stress, a sick parent, or other domestic problems.

Yet the failure of education, I think, is just one of many problems decline of the community and shared identity. Everyone is in their own technological ideological bubble searching for self-actualization. There is little faith in the institutions of government. Yet who can blame them? They've seen their standards of living stagnate for thirty years. There is also a strong undercurrent of anti-intellectualism in this country. These aren't problems you can fix overnight. They're a result from decades of development.

Increased funding of schools might help but the problems in education reflect a much deeper problem within the nation.

What would help, more than anything, is if the working class or those in the bottom 50% of this nation were able to earn living wages with their education and cared enough for their nation or community to assert themselves in positive way. Perhaps if we encouraged kids who would not normally go to university to learn a trade or skill. There also needs to be greater emphasis on math and science. In the current school I teach in, there are seniors who don't even understand simple concepts from an Algebra II class.

Fixing education will require tectonic societal shifts. Unfortunately, nations that are in decline will usually rigidly adhere to the status quo. We're going to be in for a rude awakening.

Sorry if my thoughts seem kind of disjointed but I'm a bit hungover.

[MoreEndotte]

Of course a spoiled brat like you with no life experiences beyond mommy and daddy's comfy suburban home would know about the problems facing the nation's poorest.

[Sleedyhex]

Of course a spoiled brat like you with no life experiences beyond mommy and daddy's comfy suburban home would know about the problems facing the nation's poorest.

He could at least provide some counter-points. Say why he think your analysis is 'flat-out wrong' (or at least what specifically he disagrees with) and provide evidence for why he thinks things are the way they are.

Of course a distinct lack of experience would diminish the validity of his opinions.

[tooratrack]

No kidding. You would not believe the kind of hand holding bullshit you have to put up with when it comes to students who refuse to do any work. If their parents don't reinforce the need to do homework, then teachers are forced to use bribes or undue praise for what little they do accomplish as a means of encouragement.

[fapourfasiark]

There is also a strong undercurrent of anti-intellectualism in this country.

Really? We have that here, but I always attributed it to communism (which encouraged
kids to blend in, be the same as everybody and not stand out). I actually have seen this
"cut the tallest grass" mentality erode during the last 15 years.

What would be the reason for anti-intellectualism in the US? You never had communism
there.

[Scfdglkn]

Basically the American proletariat resent individuals with even the faintest glimmer of intelligence or ambition to question the status quo.

[Numbiydq]

I like how you're a mind reader of Americans; and Aristotle wasn't American, nor did America exist then.