[Oppofeescom]

It seems a bit silly that the networks don't all use the same system.

You do realise that the continental united states is slightly larger than the UK don't you? Each state is generally a lot bigger than the UK. Honestly bungle, sometimes I swear you're being deliberately dense.

[cokLoolioli]

You do realise that the continental united states is slightly larger than the UK don't you? Each state is generally a lot bigger than the UK. Honestly bungle, sometimes I swear you're being deliberately dense.

What's that got to do with anything?

[JacksHH]

I think the main problem is the contract to keep it exclusive to AT&T though..?

I'm not sure on that Tom. AT&T exclusivity seems something people are willing to stomach in Amreica.
4 generations in and Apple haven't designed a phone that fully supports the US's 2nd biggest GSM provider (T-Mobile) and there is absolutely no sign of a worldwide CDMA iPhone and that is a lot of customers Apple are missing out on..

http://www.cdg.org/worldwide/index.asp
North America: 160 million +
South America: 30 million +
Europe, Russia and A&ME: 40 million +
Asia Pacific: 286 million +

If Apple were interested in releasing a CDMA iPhone, I'd have thought they would have worldwide considering the amount of countries using the tech regardless of the US.

[JacksHH]

What's that got to do with anything?

Verizon have so much infrastructure in the US that I doubt they could chuck it all out to suit the iPhone.


If they did mobile networks in the US would be put back years.

[cokLoolioli]

Verizon have so much infrastructure in the US that I doubt they could chuck it all out to suit the iPhone.


If they did mobile networks in the US would be put back years.

Yeah, but why didn't they all use the same system when they first built their networks?

[Oppofeescom]

Yeah, but why didn't they all use the same system when they first built their networks?

For God's sake Bungle. Use a little loaf will you? The USA is large enough to support multiple different standards. It's like buying a PC or a mac. I imagine each provider thought they had chosen the better system and enough people bought into each to warrant keeping them both.

You can choose between CDMA or GSM - I believe both have better performance in differenct circumstances, but google it yourself instead of asking stupid questions.

[JacksHH]

Yeah, but why didn't they all use the same system when they first built their networks?

Both standards are used worldwide and other countries both use GSM and CDMA. This isnt just limited to the U.S.

On the grand scheme of things, the iPhone is of little importance to force everyone to drop CDMA.

Samsung are due to succesfully release the Galaxy S on all 4 of the major US networks (already has on some) so Apple could do it.

[ZZipZZipe]

To expand on what idchoppers posted earlier, do you understand the networks in the US Bungle?

AT&T: iPhone 4 works perfectly.
T-Mobile: iPhone 4 only works on EDGE due to T-Mobile using different 3G GSM frequency.
Verizon: iPhone 4 not supported as Verizon is a CDMA network.
Sprint: iPhone 4 not supported as Sprint is a CDMA/WiMax (4g) network.

Us in the UK are lucky enough that all networks are using the same GSM bands.

What a ****ing mess.

It's like when electricity was introduced in the UK a coupleof hundred years ago and every company used a different voltage.

[cokLoolioli]

For God's sake Bungle. Use a little loaf will you? The USA is large enough to support multiple different standards. It's like buying a PC or a mac. I imagine each provider thought they had chosen the better system and enough people bought into each to warrant keeping them both.

You can choose between CDMA or GSM - I believe both have better performance in differenct circumstances, but google it yourself instead of asking stupid questions.

Lazerbase is right about you isn't he.

I still think it's silly they don't all use the same technology.

[Oppofeescom]

Lazerbase is right about you isn't he.

Lazerbase is a seriously comprehensive moron. Stop asking stupid questions and just google it (although I know it's fun for a while as I used to it and watch mutelight bite every single time).

The conversation with you goes like this:

person: this is how it is
bungle: why
person: because of this
bungle: why
person: it just is
bungle: why
person: here are some more reasons
bungle: why

It's like dealing with a three year old.

[cokLoolioli]

Lazerbase is a seriously comprehensive moron. Stop asking stupid questions and just google it (although I know it's fun for a while as I used to it and watch mutelight bite every single time).

The conversation with you goes like this:

person: this is how it is
bungle: why
person: because of this
bungle: why
person: it just is
bungle: why
person: here are some more reasons
bungle: why

And a conversation with you goes like this:

person: Why is X so?
dangermoose: You ****ing stupid idiot! Why don't you know that? You must be an idiot!


It's not a "stupid" question. It's a perfectly legitimate one. I really don't know what your problem is.

I still don't understand why. They have same TV standard across America (despite different ones being available), I don't see why it should by any different for mobile phones. I have Googled it btw and it didn't shed any more light on the matter.

It's like dealing with a three year old. I know how you feel...

[WhonyGataxott]

If there is an iPhone launching in early 2011 I'd put my money on it that it's not an iPhone 5, but more likely a Verizon iPhone. Just have to wait and see I guess.

Yep, iphone 5 for verizon, I think also support AT&T both carriers.

[Oppofeescom]

dangermoose: You ****ing stupid idiot! Why don't you know that? You must be an idiot!

God, I'm turning into mutelight

I don't think you're an idiot for not knowing that. I think you're just not using any common sense continually asking on here when you could have tried to find out from a place that would know.

[cokLoolioli]

God, I'm turning into mutelight

I don't think you're an idiot for not knowing that.

Yet in your very first reply on this subject you said I was "dense" because I didin't know the answer to my question.

I think you're just not using any common sense continually asking on here when you could have tried to find out from a place that would know. I am trying to find out from a place that would know - a community of tech people, some of whom actually reside in the US.

[Oppofeescom]

Yet in your very first reply on this subject you said I was "dense" because I didin't know the answer to my question.

No I didn't, I said that sometimes I think you are being deliberately dense, as in I think you're trying to make people think your a bit daft for a wind up.

[JacksHH]

No I didn't, I said that sometimes I think you are being deliberately dense, as in I think you're trying to make people think your a bit daft for a wind up.

You're. [rofl]

[Oppofeescom]

You're. [rofl]

****ing hell. What a bellend. How did I manage that?

[priceyicey]

I still think it's silly they don't all use the same technology.

Bungle,

When technology is in it infantile state, there are no standards. Most of these companies got investors and starting building networks fly-by-wire.

There are advantages and disadvantages to being early adopters of technology, you see.

Or, maybe you are just smarter than everyone else.

[poekfpojoibien]

Didn't AT&T and Apple sign like a 5 year deal for the iPhone to be only AT&T? If so, they still got a couple years left on the deal.
Im not sure if Verizon would want them still. They denied them first, they might do it again.

[Oppofeescom]

Bungle

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bungle