[Sopsneork]

Golem, you believe in aliens, but it's hard for you to fathom a government abusing power and resources?

[Zenunlild]

Golem, you believe in aliens, but it's hard for you to fathom a government abusing power and resources?

Hahaha Zing

Anyways, I agree with Gnius, this system will give a false sense of security while invading everyone's privacy.

[BurdenRobert]

Would you feel the same about this if instead of a cam there would be a police officer on guard at said places 24/7 to obtain law and order ?

The problem with this thought, is that a police officer at said places actually has a positive effect in stopping crime, whereas camera's only offer a chance to punish those after the fact.

[BurdenRobert]

Golem, you believe in aliens, but it's hard for you to fathom a government abusing power and resources?

I like ur sig. That commercial should be made illegal. Yeah, we repaid the government loan, with a government loan.

[Fiesialenp]

Golem, you believe in aliens, but it's hard for you to fathom a government abusing power and resources?

Yeah thanks for making statements on my behalf.
Who said i can´t see the government abusing power ?
I´m just saying a few cameras in public areas aren´t giving anyone power over anything nor are they doing any harm.

[Zenunlild]

Yeah thanks for making statements on my behalf.
Who said i can´t see the government abusing power ?
I´m just saying a few cameras in public areas aren´t giving anyone power over anything nor are they doing any harm.

How naive.

[Fiesialenp]

How naive.

well then Swellhead, go for it.
I want to hear how these few cameras are going to give anyone any power and i´d like to know how it´s gonna be abused.
Hit me with the truth

[regfortruegoo]

well then Swellhead, go for it.
I want to hear how these few cameras are going to give anyone any power and i´d like to know how it´s gonna be abused.
Hit me with the truth

It's not the cameras themselves it's just a small part of it, like laws changing so goverments have more ability to watch you if they suspect you're a terrorist, the ability to arrest you without charges for longer periods of times.

Once laws that were meant to protect people from the state are being changed to allow the state more power to protect the people from terrorists. But what happens if they change the word terrorist to dissident, or dissent becomes terrorism?

That's the problem with these laws, just because you aren't worried about them being abused today doesn't mean they won't be abused in the future.

And voters are stupid, one leader can run a country into the ground and while the next leader spends his entire term fixing the mess he gets the blame for higher taxes, and job losses and once he's fixed it all he gets voted out and next ******* lives in the limelight of that poor guys efforts.

[eCw56dzY]

well then Swellhead, go for it.
I want to hear how these few cameras are going to give anyone any power and i?d like to know how it?s gonna be abused.
Hit me with the truth

even if the cameras themselves do not give anyone any direct power its what they shan for and what they mean. they are just the first step into that inevitable big brother world we are heading into.
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[SweetCaroline]

well then Swellhead, go for it.
I want to hear how these few cameras are going to give anyone any power and i´d like to know how it´s gonna be abused.
Hit me with the truth

How about this... yours and a government official's daughters are competing for a high-end job position. You have same qualifications as she.

This can be resolved one of three ways:
a. You get a letter. "You (or your daughter) frequent a gay S&M club on saturdays / are cheating on your spouse / meet with neo-nazis or communists, etc... Unless your daughter gives up her application, this information will be disseminated"
b. The committee gets a letter w. some photos - "would you really want to employ this person because they do X, Y, Z that is taboo, unpopular, illegal.
c. in the middle of the night the police come and take you away. you have committed 73 minor offenses in the past 5 years, and today you will be prosecuted for all of them.

Go to a library and ask for them to give you ALL the laws of your country. When you're done with the several hundred thousand pages, let me know if you've violated ANY of them ever.

If you never violated any law, and NEVER done anything that could be viewed badly by ANYONE, then you indeed have nothing to fear.

[HaseBeceDeemy]

How about this... yours and a government official's daughters are competing for a high-end job position. You have same qualifications as she.

This can be resolved one of three ways:
a. You get a letter. "You (or your daughter) frequent a gay S&M club on saturdays / are cheating on your spouse / meet with neo-nazis or communists, etc... Unless your daughter gives up her application, this information will be disseminated"
b. The committee gets a letter w. some photos - "would you really want to employ this person because they do X, Y, Z that is taboo, unpopular, illegal.
c. in the middle of the night the police come and take you away. you have committed 73 minor offenses in the past 5 years, and today you will be prosecuted for all of them.

Go to a library and ask for them to give you ALL the laws of your country. When you're done with the several hundred thousand pages, let me know if you've violated ANY of them ever.

If you never violated any law, and NEVER done anything that could be viewed badly by
ANYONE, then you indeed have nothing to fear.

I don't see how any of that connects with having a few security cameras dotted about the place. I think you're paranoid.

[SweetCaroline]

I don't see how any of that connects with having a few security cameras dotted about the place. I think you're paranoid.

Don't you people study history anymore?

[Grewlybreekly]

First, if it had exploded as desired, that SUV could have done a lot of nasty damage to people in the area - just fortunate the idiot couldn't put it together 'properly'.
Second, the anti-camera lobby here seems to be claiming servailence cameras do nothing but are a threat to privacy? I'm confused. personally, whilst they may not stop drunks from assaulting me, I would be very happy to see them being caught by the cameras - much as they seem to have caught the 'bomber' from the camera images and plain old fashioned Police investigating.

[SweetCaroline]

First, if it had exploded as desired, that SUV could have done a lot of nasty damage to people in the area - just fortunate the idiot couldn't put it together 'properly'.
Second, the anti-camera lobby here seems to be claiming servailence cameras do nothing but are a threat to privacy? I'm confused. personally, whilst they may not stop drunks from assaulting me, I would be very happy to see them being caught by the cameras - much as they seem to have caught the 'bomber' from the camera images and plain old fashioned Police investigating.

Read the news. The cameras had nothing to do with catching the bomber.

[Cemeuncex]

We just had a genius student where I live put a fake bomb in is high school bathroom as a prank. How ****ing stupid is that considering what happened in times square. Used a cell phone and PSP with some wires dangling from it. This is tommorrows leaders? Yeah buddy, cant wait for that.[thumbdown]

http://www.newsherald.com/news/road-...-students.html

[Grewlybreekly]

Read the news. The cameras had nothing to do with catching the bomber.

Read my post - confirming the identity of the driver - I know they identified the person of interest from the vehicle ID details.
Another aspect of camera surveilence is they use them to identify areas where trouble is brewing and people are acting in a suspicious manner - works quite well.

[SweetCaroline]

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...n_.html?page=1

What's interesting is that he "spent 5 months" in Pakistan training how to make bombs. Really? Based on his design, it surely doesn't sound like he learned much. Actually a library computer and some Googling would've been productive.

[suilusargaino]

Wow, if it had gone off it would have been New York City's first terrorist attack since 9/11/2001 correct?

[zoppereurvito]

Play it down as much as you want, it still sends a message, we are still a target (USA).

I'm just glad it was poorly made, poorly thought out and poorly executed. I'm also glad we have people who report these things when they see something suspicious.

[ballingham]

Play it down as much as you want, it still sends a message, we are still a target (USA).

I'm just glad it was poorly made, poorly thought out and poorly executed. I'm also glad we have people who report these things when they see something suspicious.

Sitting at home with the safety and leisure to think about it a bit more deeply (and look at the angles) it also occurs to me that the "Good Americans" who immediately reported the suspicious vehicle (within minutes) could in other circumstances have easily been the "Callous New Yorkers" who walked again and again past a dying good Samaritan on the street.

What made the difference? I wonder if its the fact that a bomb might be powerful enough to affect them personally, while a dying stranger on the street can be more easily ignored......

Just a theory, but still food for thought.

Just me trying to internally make some sense of the world. (again) [surrender]