[Stivenslivakovishhhs]

My gf is the same as I am. And we we're both virgins when we met (can't say we are now though). And I've told her numerous times she will be my last gf, after my previous gf cheated on me I just lost interest in women until I met my current gf. But we've known each other since, we'll, the age of 3 I guess so pretty much our entire lives. There's not a chance I'll meet another one like her. She's as eccentric as I am[rofl].

Sounds awesome dude. Marry her! What are you waiting for?
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[UriyVlasov]

Sounds awesome dude. Marry her! What are you waiting for?

Boy, you are ready to pull that trigger quick, eh?

Wait until the dust settles and you realize how miserable you are, married and tied down... Hopefully, you won't be as quick to pull the "other" trigger.

[RastusuadegeFrimoum]

Sounds awesome dude. Marry her! What are you waiting for?

She'd like to get married, but not right now, we have talked about it, great thing about her is that you can liturally talk about ANYTHING. And you'd be so amazed at how awkward some of the conversations I get into with her are. I now know more about women then I have in my entire life[rofl]. And she's just as curious as me when it comes to male side of things.

I on the other hand am not overly concerned about marriage, if we get married, that's great, if we don't, it won't bother me nor her. And I'm in no rush, nor can I afford anything yet. We've yet to get our own place together, I'm only 20 you know

EDIT: Sorry, am getting a bit offtopic. I do hope these b@stards get caught.

[Stivenslivakovishhhs]

Boy, you are ready to pull that trigger quick, eh?

Wait until the dust settles and you realize how miserable you are, married and tied down... Hopefully, you won't be as quick to pull the "other" trigger.

Not me. He said he has known her for years and they get along great and all that other stuff, so why wait? Why not make it official? We can discuss me in the other thread.

Ok, back on topic.
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[SHpuntik]

I agree, she's going to be traumatized for life. I can probably see why guns are illegal in Australia. Even if your good, you couldn't help but punch a few holes in these type of people.

Really? That's the conclusion you draw from this? It's good that no one was able to help?

ONE law abiding armed citizen could've stopped this by doing exactly that. Actually, as far as I am concerned that would've been the solemn DUTY of anyone who had the ability to do it.

What happened is amazingly horrible. It makes me sick. I WISH someone was there to shoot these people down, and I don't think anything is wrong with that. You'd shoot a tiger that attacked someone, wouldn't you?

[S.T.D.]

Really? That's the conclusion you draw from this? It's good that no one was able to help?

ONE law abiding armed citizen could've stopped this by doing exactly that. Actually, as far as I am concerned that would've been the solemn DUTY of anyone who had the ability to do it.

And if they all had guns as well, what then?

[ingeneensueva]

Really? That's the conclusion you draw from this? It's good that no one was able to help?

ONE law abiding armed citizen could've stopped this by doing exactly that. Actually, as far as I am concerned that would've been the solemn DUTY of anyone who had the ability to do it.

To a point i can agree,
on the flip side, if one person pulls a gun, someone else probably will as well.
I wouldn´t want to know how many of those gang bangers were packing heat.

[ingeneensueva]

Not me. He said he has known her for years and they get along great and all that other stuff, so why wait? Why not make it official? We can discuss me in the other thread.

Ok, back on topic.

last [offtopic] by me here,
Why not make it official ?

Well because he´s only 20, imo that´s still a kid (no offense Fake)
but most people i know in that age are still working on getting their **** together.

[WapSaibian]

Really? That's the conclusion you draw from this? It's good that no one was able to help?

ONE law abiding armed citizen could've stopped this by doing exactly that. Actually, as far as I am concerned that would've been the solemn DUTY of anyone who had the ability to do it.

i read his statement thing that he can see that guns are illegal there because people are irrational and would have ended up shooting these people. which too a degree is extremely irrational.
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[Stivenslivakovishhhs]

last [offtopic] by me here,
Why not make it official ?

Well because he?s only 20, imo that?s still a kid (no offense Fake)
but most people i know in that age are still working on getting their **** together.

Ok ok last [offtopic] for me too. I didn't realize he was just 20. I was a dumbass at 20... some things never change. (in before someone else says it)
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[prowsnobswend]

And if they all had guns as well, what then?

Considering they were too busy playing with their other guns I highly doubt they could have accomlished much before their quick, and unfortunately painless, deaths.

Once upon a time I thought all life was sacred. But the more **** I see and read about the more I realize some people really abuse the gift we call life and aren't really worthy of it.

Murder is the worst crime there is, but sometimes a person is too dangerous for society. They can either leave peacefully or in pieces IMO.

[SHpuntik]

i read his statement thing that he can see that guns are illegal there because people are irrational and would have ended up shooting these people. which too a degree is extremely irrational.

I would like to hear more about how shooting them is irrational?

They are engaging in an act of extreme violence against an innocent victim... where's the ambiguity?

[UriyVlasov]

I would like to hear more about how shooting them is irrational?

They are engaging in an act of extreme violence against an innocent victim... where's the ambiguity?

You seem pretty cold-hearted. I hope this is all keyboard talk.

These perpetrators ranged in ages from 15 to 19. Do you really think that death is a fair punishment for their actions? Just pulling out the weapon and scaring them away is enough to deter the rest of the crime, why add more drama with murder?

Fine, a pistol whip or two, crack a few skulls and knock out a couple of teeth, but murder? C'mon, these are children.

[SHpuntik]

And if they all had guns as well, what then?

Then they would've run off like the cowards they are.

Your attitude bothers me a lot, because I find that it utterly lacks self-consistency.

- You say you're not afraid and you feel safe, and yet to keep saying that you're afraid that all these people that commit violent crimes will do that much more if others are allowed to have weapons.

- You say that somehow a situation where one helpless girl is gang-raped by several presumably much stronger people, and yet you claim that somehow a firearm would've made the situation worse. I doubt the girl would've agreed with you.

Furthermore, being the fairly good force multiplier it is, I would say that a bystander carrying a firearm would've a) been more willing to resist a 15-person mob, and b) had a higher chance to resisting successfully.

You seem to have the reality perception of an ostrich. Danger -> boom... right into the sand!

[JohnImamadviser]

You seem pretty cold-hearted. I hope this is all keyboard talk.

It sure is. It's most of the time.

A few shots into the air would have probably scared them off though, IF they were unarmed I mean.

[WapSaibian]

I would like to hear more about how shooting them is irrational?

They are engaging in an act of extreme violence against an innocent victim... where's the ambiguity?

murder is hardly ever an answer. there is a ton of things you could do then just kill them there on the spot. hell i love guns, im all for them but there is actually a small amount of times you should use them. yes, if the girl had a gun then blow one of them away to get the point across but she did not so i dont think a third party should do that.

now the death penalty, bring it on after the people have been to trial. but i also think the article said that one was 19 and one was 15. man if i actually ever got punished for what i did from the ages of 15-19 i woulda been in jail a lot but i learned from all that because i was young and dumb.

im in no means defending them but they are kids.
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[SHpuntik]

You seem pretty cold-hearted. I hope this is all keyboard talk.

These perpetrators ranged in ages from 15 to 19. Do you really think that death is a fair punishment for their actions? Just pulling out the weapon and scaring them away is enough to deter the rest of the crime, why add more drama with murder?

Couple of things.

1. I'm not talking about punishment. I don't believe in capital punishment, simply because I think it's too emotional of an issue, and because of the risk of innocent people being killed.

Yes, I think they deserve to die, and that's why it should't be decided later by other people.

2. I am talking about stopping the situation immediately and permanently. I believe there is a huge difference between shooting someone dead to stop them from harming someone, and restraining them and killing them later at your convenience. One is to ensure immediate cessation of aggression, with minimal risk to whoever has chosen to resist. The other is punishment.

Yes, in that situation (and I hope it never happens) I would shoot to kill... at least until they scattered. I find no reason to risk my life (and the life of the victim) in order to preserve theirs (they could be armed themselves after all).

Fine, a pistol whip or two, crack a few skulls and knock out a couple of teeth, but murder? C'mon, these are children.

Really? For gang-rape? They aren't children... they should be locked up forever. This isn't shoplifting... it's not a "bad choice" someone makes. It's not even stabbing your spouse in a fit of jealous rage. It's a commitment to being evil.

[S.T.D.]

Then they would've run off like the cowards they are.

For someone who calls themselves "Gnius" you seem incredibly stupid. How would they have run away if they all had guns? That's bollocks. What would have happened ia that they would have turned round and shot who ever challenged them, gun or not..or worse.

Despite what you seem to think, guns are not the answer to every problem.

Your attitude bothers me a lot, because I find that it utterly lacks self-consistency. And your rabid pro-gun attitude bothers me.

- You say you're not afraid and you feel safe, and yet to keep saying that you're afraid that all these people that commit violent crimes will do that much more if others are allowed to have weapons. I don't even know what point you're trying to make here. Of course if more people have guns there's more possibility of tragedy occurring.

- You say that somehow a situation where one helpless girl is gang-raped by several presumably much stronger people, and yet you claim that somehow a firearm would've made the situation worse. I doubt the girl would've agreed with you. If everyone had guns the situation would have been worse.

Furthermore, being the fairly good force multiplier it is, I would say that a bystander carrying a firearm would've a) been more willing to resist a 15-person mob, and b) had a higher chance to resisting successfully.

You seem to have the reality perception of an ostrich. Danger -> boom... right into the sand! A unarmed defenceless mob maybe, but not in the world you want to inhabit where everyone is armed to the teeth.

[SHpuntik]

For someone who calls themselves "Gnius" you seem incredibly stupid. How would they have run away if they all had guns? That's bollocks.

Criminals are professional cowards. If these ****ers weren't cowards, they wouldn't be gang-raping anyone. Good knowledge of psychology you have...

What would have happened ia that they would have turned round and shot who ever challenged them, gun or not..or worse.

Worse how? Tell me. List the consequences please.

If everyone had guns the situation would have been worse.

See above.

[fygESytT]

Couple of things.

1. I'm not talking about punishment. I don't believe in capital punishment, simply because I think it's too emotional of an issue, and because of the risk of innocent people being killed.

Yes, I think they deserve to die, and that's why it shouldn't be decided later by other people.

2. I am talking about stopping the situation immediately and permanently. I believe there is a huge difference between shooting someone dead to stop them from harming someone, and restraining them and killing them later at your convenience. One is to ensure immediate cessation of aggression, with minimal risk to whoever has chosen to resist. The other is punishment.

Yes, in that situation (and I hope it never happens) I would shoot to kill... at least until they scattered. I find no reason to risk my life (and the life of the victim) in order to preserve theirs (they could be armed themselves after all).

I completely agree with you for once.

Anyway,i am just shocked that no one at all decided to do even the slightest thing,such as call the police,while this went on.

I do not understand how people could stand around and apparently be entertained by what was going on.