[downtowndude]

very likely... but it does not change my point

[Aafimoq]

very likely... but it does not change my point

No, just its validity.

[Nypbscao]

Agreed... I wanted a small diesel truck with a manual gearbox...

Quickly found out there was no such thing [thumbdown]

What? There are and were plenty of light-duty trucks with manual boxes and diesels.

[downtowndude]

What? There are and were plenty of light-duty trucks with manual boxes and diesels.

I don't mean a dodge ram with a 7 litre cummins diesel or likewise a ford equivalent. they are not my idea of a small pickup.

No diesel S-10's... no diesel rangers, no diesel colorado's, no diesel tacoma's etc.

[downtowndude]

No, just its validity.

In that case present me with an alternative explanation and stop being a ****

[beloveds]

I don't mean a dodge ram with a 7 litre cummins diesel or likewise a ford equivalent. they are not my idea of a small pickup.

No diesel S-10's... no diesel rangers, no diesel colorado's, no diesel tacoma's etc.

Seems you'd be looking for something like the ever popular Toyota Hilux Turbo-diesel.
http://www.toyota.com.au/hilux
A couple of the bosses at work have the latest model and, while they do go well, IMO they are mega FUGLY! Whole thing is jacked up on the chassis for NO good reason - no increase in ground clearance or wheel travel - just more frontal area, higher centre of gravity, higher load tray, higher cab and ALL to meet the American "big truck" BS - sorry Statesiders, can't see any other reason for the FUGLYness!
Most of our utes are the previous gen' NA 3 litre diesels and apart from a little less torque/power, they're better in every other way. A couple are pushing 400k km - close to 250k miles and have only had regular mainainance and, IIRC, one clutch replacement.

[favwebbb]

Normally i dont like these things, like the Dodge RAM or H2 etc, cause they all all show but pretty useless otherwise.

Though this one seems a bit different, its got some decent 4x4 tech behind it, and really its not that expensive for what you get.

I dont see why anybody should bash it for being "American nonsense", firstly...i think that the BMW X6 is an equally stupid vehicle, so is the Range Rover Sport....yet those are far more expensive and im willing to bet this F150 will be far more capable off road than either of those. Im also sure it will be a faster vehicle too with that BOSS 6.2L in it.

Maybe not as comfortable as a Range Rover or X6, but really if you want comfort why are you even buying an SUV rather than a luxury sedan ?

[Nypbscao]

I don't mean a dodge ram with a 7 litre cummins diesel or likewise a ford equivalent. they are not my idea of a small pickup.

No diesel S-10's... no diesel rangers, no diesel colorado's, no diesel tacoma's etc.

Well, they are our small work trucks. Things are a little bigger over here for obvious reasons. It sounds like you wanted the truck for reasons other than work releated, and in that case, there are plenty of other diesel offerings for you. Most people who buy pickup trucks in paticular use them for work.

Not offering small diesels like that have nothing to do with the availability of diesel like you suggested.

[drexigordiche]

im willing to bet this F150 will be far more capable off road than either of those. Im also sure it will be a faster vehicle too with that BOSS 6.2L in it.

Faster than a range rover.....maybe a little faster than the current one. Better off road....not a chance in a million.

Besides the 2010 range rover sport is going to have 500 bhp.

[Kt-viagra]

Faster than a range rover.....maybe a little faster than the current one. Better off road....not a chance in a million.

Besides the 2010 range rover sport is going to have 500 bhp.

You have to be crazy to think a Range Rover would do better off road. I mean it, totally crazy.

[downtowndude]

Well, they are our small work trucks. Things are a little bigger over here for obvious reasons. It sounds like you wanted the truck for reasons other than work releated, and in that case, there are plenty of other diesel offerings for you. Most people who buy pickup trucks in paticular use them for work.

Not offering small diesels like that have nothing to do with the availability of diesel like you suggested.

bigger for obvious reasons? please elaborate.

A small diesel 4 cylinder offers v8 like torque, and great fuel economy. Diesel engines are NOT available in america in anything approaching what I wanted.
Not everyone wants a penis extension... I needed a work truck, not a toy.

Hilux was never offered in America... their equivalent was the tacoma which was offered petrol only

I would consider the raptor as a "toy".. similar to a bowler... It's a luxury for those who can afford it, but it will never be "practical"

[bUqLfXRI]

I'd be willing to bet that a high percentage of these trucks will be sold to people that have no intentions of ever going offroad anywhere.

Let me just say this. When I moved, I was very grateful I owned a truck. When I had to pick up a pallet of hardwood flooring for my house, I was very grateful I had a truck. When my friends moved, they were very grateful I have a truck.

That said, I have a mid size truck, not a full size. A full size would be a waste for what I use it for. Plus, the midsize cost me a little over 22,000 after taxes and interest. A full size would probably have cost more before taxes and interest.

[Immampdah]

bigger for obvious reasons? please elaborate.

A small diesel 4 cylinder offers v8 like torque, and great fuel economy. Diesel engines are NOT available in america in anything approaching what I wanted.

They are but only really in Chrysler/Jeep's Liberty. No wait now I look they had them in several vehicles. There was even the 2.5l in the Dodge Dakota 99-00 that would have been the vehicle you were after.

[downtowndude]

never came across one sadly...

Nearly bought a little s-10 with I think a 2.2 litre petrol engine and a manual gearbox.

Wasn't happy with it though (high miles and running rough) and ended up just using my bosses ford f-150.

A bit over the top considering I was just hauling a toolbox, a small compressor and one or two other odds and ends.

[favwebbb]

Faster than a range rover.....maybe a little faster than the current one. Better off road....not a chance in a million.

Besides the 2010 range rover sport is going to have 500 bhp.

Firstly, the Range Rover SPORT, is a completely different car from a Range Rover, they have different chassis and different configuration.
With its low profile stock road tyres you wont be going anywhere offroad in a Range Rover Sport, wheres the F150 SVT is coming stock with A/T tyres higher grounder clearance and long suspension travel which goes to show that the manufacturers knows well that its going to be capable offroad in production specification.

Also id much rather have a N/A petrol engine rather than a forced induction one for offroad use.

To me it seems people want to bash the F150, when in reality it makes a lot more sense than some of the european "performance" 4x4s.

[glasscollector]

My employer has an offroad truck for all of ya..

Off road tires, titanium tow hooks, 7.2l diesel, bullet proof glass, V-hull , 16" of suspension travel,a curb weight of only 12.5 tons, central tire inflation, allison automatic transmission, and lots-o-torque

[Aafimoq]

In that case present me with an alternative explanation and stop being a ****

There is not ONE gas station that I have seen where I live that does not sell diesel in addition to gas.

And I will stop being an ass when you stop being wrong.

[Abaronos]

I believe the statistics are, 1 out of every 2 stations in American sells diesel. No one should be worried about were and how to get diesel. If it was an issue, Semis wouldn't be using diesel. There are diesel stations all over my neck of the woods, plus, the kind of range that diesel gets, you will defiantly run into a station before you run out of full.
Did someone say the midwest not having diesel? I would imagine that they would be the areas more populous with diesel and these are the areas with all the tractors that require diesel, as well as the more popular places to own a truck.
There is a lot more than just trucks and semis that use diesel, and around here there are a ton of tractors / farm equipment on top of a lot of trucks and semis that have diesel. Diesel stations are pretty popular around here.



What is wrong with leaf springs? The Ram does use coils yes, but it still doesn't perform like the leaf springs on the F-150. The coils might give a more comfy ride, yes, but towing went down 500lbs for one, while the F-150 actually went up recently to 11,000lbs. Plus in tests, the leafs still do better.
I am sure that a proper coil could do just as good, if not better, though the sad thing is, the Ram with the coils kind of went a step backwards compared to what they used to offer. In the comfort deparment though, they went a step forward.


Though there is nothing wrong with leaf springs. Hell, the Corvette still uses leaf springs and whips some a$$ with them as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJZVU...eature=related

[Immampdah]

My employer has an offroad truck for all of ya..

Off road tires, titanium tow hooks, 7.2l diesel, bullet proof glass, V-hull , 16" of suspension travel,a curb weight of only 12.5 tons, central tire inflation, allison automatic transmission, and lots-o-torque

Wow Michigan gets awful dry this time of year.

[glasscollector]

i havent updated my location... i live in WI now, but that testing was in Nevada