[Enfonebew]

All we need is Alain Prost now to make it really worth it.

[Mjxhnapi]

What's wrong the discussion going on in the F1 thread?

I thinks that Shumacher returning to race is big enough to have it's own thread.


In other news......Ayrton Senna rises from grave.

[MilenaMKB]

shumacher wasn't too too old for f1 anyway.. why do ppl want him so out of f1 world ?

[education]

shumacher wasn't too too old for f1 anyway.. why do ppl want him so out of f1 world ?

Because he is too arrogant!

[shodulsilfeli]

All we need is Alain Prost now to make it really worth it.

And Nigel Mansell [thumbup]

[Indian Butt Magic]

Because he is too arrogant!

Almost as arrogant as Hamilton

[easypokergonj]

Hahaha, I STILL look for white text when you make comments like that.
The guy has confidence, not arrogance, I also like the way he makes a point of thanking his team for giving him a good car when he does well and has been patient as they worked to get the car competitive.

[Indian Butt Magic]

Hahaha, I STILL look for white text when you make comments like that.
The guy has confidence, not arrogance, I also like the way he makes a point of thanking his team for giving him a good car when he does well and has been patient as they worked to get the car competitive.

Nah, it's nothing but pure arrogance when he goes comparing himself to Senna etc

[easypokergonj]

Senna wasn't THAT good - he really was arrogant, BTW, and had deliberately hit other cars on a number of occasions.
In time, Hamilton, and some of the other crop of current drivers, may prove to be better - don't forget the cars are a lot more equal now than back then.

[Indian Butt Magic]

Senna wasn't THAT good - he really was arrogant, BTW, and had deliberately hit other cars on a number of occasions.
In time, Hamilton, and some of the other crop of current drivers, may prove to be better - don't forget the cars are a lot more equal now than back then.

Senna was that good, especially when it comes to wet, current drivers have nothing compared to what he had on wet weather.
And yes, I know he did hit others, but can't remember more than 1 actual case where he did it deliberately (and even then, he didn't actually hit Prost, he just forced them both out of track)

[dmoiknlasd]

Nah, it's nothing but pure arrogance when he goes comparing himself to Senna etc

As a rule you're quite a knowledgeable guy but I can't for a minute work out where your dislike and views of Lewis come from.
Lewis is certainly not one of the greatest ever F1 drivers yet, but he's certainly up there with the current drivers and he's without a doubt one of the most entertaining to watch drive, and where you get the idea he's arrogant I do not know.

[opelonafqe]

SHUMACHER is just in a diffrent class to any of the current drivers out there even after 3 years break he will still piss all over them.

[Indian Butt Magic]

As a rule you're quite a knowledgeable guy but I can't for a minute work out where your dislike and views of Lewis come from.
Lewis is certainly not one of the greatest ever F1 drivers yet, but he's certainly up there with the current drivers and he's without a doubt one of the most entertaining to watch drive, and where you get the idea he's arrogant I do not know.

It comes from his arrogant statements and how (especially british) media tried to make him the best thing since sliced bread. And his dad.
Yes, he is good, definately top-5 driver currently, they're impossible to put in any specific order since they all have a bit different strengths and weaknesses, but he's not there with for example Senna, even though he many times compared himself to him.

Even though many think Schumacher is higher than anyone else, sure he is damn good, but it's not all that simple, only reason for example Räikkönen didn't beat him to the championship was unreliable car - and still with that he only lost by what, 2 points? Alonso did beat him, Häkkinen did beat him, MS is about the same level as all of them. And none of them come close to what Senna has done.

[dmoiknlasd]

The British media constantly going on about Lewis was hardly due to his arrogance it's the way British media works they like to go over the top with a British sportsman .
Lewis is just a confident young man who was relatively inexperienced in the public eye.
There's a lot worse in F1.

[Anakattawl]

Even though many think Schumacher is higher than anyone else, sure he is damn good, but it's not all that simple, only reason for example Räikkönen didn't beat him to the championship was unreliable car - and still with that he only lost by what, 2 points? Alonso did beat him, Häkkinen did beat him, MS is about the same level as all of them. And none of them come close to what Senna has done.

Yeah right...

Records held by Michael Schumacher

* Most world titles: 7 (1994, 1995, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004)

* Most consecutive titles: 5 (2000-04)

* Most grand prix wins: 91

* Most wins in a single season: 13 (2004)

* Most consecutive wins in a single season: 7 (2004)

* Most wins at the same race: 8 (French GP)

* Most wins with one team: 72 (Ferrari)

* Most wins from pole: 40

* Most pole positions: 68

* Most front-row starts: 115

* Most podium finishes: 154

* Most second place finishes: 43

* Most points finishes: 190

* Most points scored: 1,369

* Most points in a single season: 148 (from a maximum of 180, in 2004)

* Most fastest laps: 76

* Most fastest laps in a season: 10 (from a maximum of 18, in 2004)

* Most races led: 141

* Most laps led: 5,108

* Furthest distance led in a season: 2,085 miles (2004)

* Fastest race-winning average speed: 153.843mph (2003 Italian GP)

* Most consecutive podiums: 19 (USA 2001 to Japan 2002)

* Most consecutive points finishes: 24 (Hungary 2001 to Malaysia 2003)

* Most consecutive seasons with a win: 15 (1992-2006)

* Most consecutive wins from pole (6)

* Most ‘clean sweeps’ (pole, win, fastest lap): 22

* Largest points gap between champion and runner-up: 67 (2002)

* Earliest title winner: 2002 (in July, with 6 of the 17 races remaining)

* Longest continuous spell with one team: 11 seasons (Ferrari, 1996-2006)

* Most races with same team: 162 (Ferrari)

* Most time between first and last race wins: 14 years, 1 month and 1 day

* Never outqualified by his team-mate in 1992, 1993 or 1994

* Only driver to have finished every race on the podium: 2002


Trivia

* Won all his ‘landmark’ GPs, winning on his 50th, 100th, 150th and 200th GP starts

* Only events he failed to win were South African, Mexican and Turkish GPs

* His record of 91 GP wins is only one shy of the combined total of the next two most winning drivers, Alain Prost (51) and Ayrton Senna (41)

* Scored points in a remarkable 76.6% of all his GP starts

* Led 56.9% of all GPs he started

* Banned or disqualified from more races than anyone else (banned from two races and disqualified from another in 1994; excluded from 1997 world championship results for collision with Jacques Villeneuve) http://www.itv-f1.com/Feature.aspx?T...neral&id=46521

Senna had godlike driving skills (especially in the wet...), and when he was on it he was untouchable, no-one can deny that, but he wasn't as consistent as Schumacher in his prime, no way, the records speak for themselves.

[opelonafqe]

The stats also dont take into account that he did alot/some of his winning in the second or third best car on the grid.

[vioppyskype]

Seven world championships - SEVEN!

Not to mention the occasions where he also got close to winning it but didnt. Thats one thing about the guy that NO other driver so far has been able to show...MS fought to the bitter end all the time for his ENTIRE career...not once did he ever act like he didnt care anymore (*cough* Raikonen *cough*).

I was one of those who used to say that Michael Schumacher was ruining F1...but only after he left you look back and realise why he was so good, he is simply the complete package, maybe not the best in all areas, but the best in so many areas that it puts him on a different level.

[toyboy]

Shumacher is the best, end of story.

[education]

But you could argue the Mac was the fastest car at the time. And my point still stands, they won championships before Kimi, and after Kimi, but never with Kimi.

As Kyros said, at no time did you ever think MS could have driven quicker, he was ALWAYS on it. But with Kimi it's a rare event that you know he couldn't have driven any quicker.

I also have no doubt a return of MS would have benefited Ferrari, and I think any team on the grid would take MS over Kimi even now.

I think that EVERY F1 driver always drives as fast as he can (aside R. Barrichello when J. Todd/R.Brawn hit "the button" and told him to slow down to let M. Schumacher pass ^^)...

And yeah, Kimi was very unlucky at McLaren, but was it Kimi's fault alone?
I really don't like Kimi that much for changing from McLaren to Ferrari just because of the money, but he is a real good driver, who was unlucky a few times too often...

[Indian Butt Magic]

I think that EVERY F1 driver always drives as fast as he can (aside R. Barrichello when J. Todd/R.Brawn hit "the button" and told him to slow down to let M. Schumacher pass ^^)...

And yeah, Kimi was very unlucky at McLaren, but was it Kimi's fault alone?
I really don't like Kimi that much for changing from McLaren to Ferrari just because of the money, but he is a real good driver, who was unlucky a few times too often...

TBH not money alone probably, driving at Ferrari is the dream of pretty much every F1 driver just for the fact that it is FERRARI